If Jesus was a sacrifice...

[wizanda]

A slide response if there ever was one. Your statement is: "God wants obedience to THE law." Now again; WHICH LAW!?

No need to shout, just stated it once....

According to the parable of building your house upon the rock, you will be judged by the words and teachings of Yeshua.

The commandments and the law of Moses (Torah), are often that which is being quoted in the Bible as law (Torah). There are also clear statements that you are to follow the laws of the land you are within, as long as they glorify God, and don't cause you to break the original laws.

Now I'd also state, that you should follow any laws that make you live more righteously; though in the context of Judaism you don't necessarily need to apply this, yet i would, as obedience to God, means we will be judged by all we are aware of.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

No need to shout, just stated it once....

According to the parable of building your house upon the rock, you will be judged by the words and teachings of Yeshua.

The commandments and the law of Moses (Torah), are often that which is being quoted in the Bible as law (Torah). There are also clear statements that you are to follow the laws of the land you are within, as long as they glorify God, and don't cause you to break the original laws.

Now I'd also state, that you should follow any laws that make you live more righteously; though in the context of Judaism you don't necessarily need to apply this, yet i would, as obedience to God, means we will be judged by all we are aware of.

Had I been SHOUTING your bones would be shaking.
"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13 The law he references is not Torah. It is impossible to live at all unless you are first declared righteous by God. So you cannot live more righteously. And you are not unaware of it by any stretch or slide.

 

[Sonofason]

wow.
that is some rather impressive mental gymnastics.

Please explain what you mean.

 

[Sonofason]

You are correct until the last part of your teaching, but err in your teaching's close. The sin of a man's murder cannot be a direct benefit because murder is an infraction of the law. Just what sin do you think those people who were added to the church Jesus Christ is head of repented of by them having heard the Acts 2 message?
Do you think they confessed "Oh God I'm so happy and glad the blood of your only begotten son whom we murdered a while back has made us clean." or did they confess "Oh God have mercy, OH! God!! I'm so truly sorry your only begotten son Jesus was murdered and I approved of it? Forgive me God OH!! please for give me!! And if YOU! do not have the faith to confess like they did to save themselves you will surely perish. There is no other Way to save yourself from God's wrath.

I am in no way sorry that Jesus died for my sins.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

I am in no way sorry that Jesus died for my sins.

Your stated pride is stated before your destruction by your own haughty spirit. Prov. 16:18
Have a good, if you can.

 

[Sonofason]

Your stated pride is stated before your destruction by your own haughty spirit. Prov. 16:18
Have a good, if you can.

Why should I be sorry that Jesus died for my sins? He died for my sins. His death is nothing to be sorry for, but something to be entirely grateful for. So what are you getting at here?

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Why should I be sorry that Jesus died for my sins? He died for my sins. His death is nothing to be sorry for, but something to be entirely grateful for. So what are you getting at here?

Jesus Christ's murder was not for your benefit! He was murdered for the purpose of INCREASING sin. You've got it backwards.

 

[Sonofason]

Jesus Christ's murder was not for your benefit! He was murdered for the purpose of INCREASING sin. You've got it backwards.

That is an interesting fairy-tale. Now prove that your fairy-tale is true.

 

[wizanda]

I am in no way sorry that Jesus died for my sins.

And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they 'will mourn for him' as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry. Woe to you who laugh now, for you will mourn and weep.

 

[Sonofason]

Perhaps you are unaware that it is possible to feel the weight of responsibility and to feel sorrow for what Jesus endured, without feeling sorry that Jesus died for our sins. God sacrificed His Son. I did not. I am the reason that God sacrificed His Son, and this sacrifice of God has helped me become aware and fully conscious of God's love for me. I am not sorry Jesus died. I'm sorry that it was so necessary.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Why should I be sorry that Jesus died for my sins? He died for my sins. His death is nothing to be sorry for, but something to be entirely grateful for. So what are you getting at here?

The sin of murdering Jesus Christ was not for the purpose of resolving guilt. By his murder and making an addition to the law it is an unlawful act not to have the faith to confess directly to God that you are sorry his only begotten son was murdered. You do not understand how the law of God works. God has not issued law to prevent sin, but so that a lawful procedure is established for resolving the guilt associated with sin. A sin is not accountable without law being issued until AFTER the offense is committed. The Sinai code does not have any proviso for resolving the guilt of the participants who caused any man's first degree murder by malice aforethought. Nor could the necessary physical evidence be presented for a violation of that codes first article,"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, all thy mind, and all thy soul.", until the murder of Jesus Christ happened and the law was changed to provide the only basis for establishing the only Way God is willing to clear the guilty. "For if thou shalt confess with thou mouth Jesus is Lord and God raised Him from the dead thou shalt be saved? NO! For it is with your heart, circumcised by guilt, that you believe and are justified, and it with your mouth that you confess, 'I am truly sorry your only begotten son Jesus was murdered when he was crucified' and are saved." There are no exceptions. For if you refuse you violate the only law of God, REPENT, that carries the penalty of eternal death.

 

[Sonofason]

The sin of murdering Jesus Christ was not for the purpose of resolving guilt. By his murder and making an addition to the law it is an unlawful act not to have the faith to confess directly to God that you are sorry his only begotten son was murdered. You do not understand how the law of God works. God has not issued law to prevent sin, but so that a lawful procedure is established for resolving the guilt associated with sin. A sin is not accountable without law being issued until AFTER the offense is committed. The Sinai code does not have any proviso for resolving the guilt of the participants who caused any man's first degree murder by malice aforethought. Nor could the necessary physical evidence be presented for a violation of that codes first article,"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, all thy mind, and all thy soul.", until the murder of Jesus Christ happened and the law was changed to provide the only basis for establishing the only Way God is willing to clear the guilty. "For if thou shalt confess with thou mouth Jesus is Lord and God raised Him from the dead thou shalt be saved? NO! For it is with your heart, circumcised by guilt, that you believe and are justified, and it with your mouth that you confess, 'I am truly sorry your only begotten son Jesus was murdered when he was crucified' and are saved." There are no exceptions. For if you refuse you violate the only law of God, REPENT, that carries the penalty of eternal death.

If I should think that I answer to you, then I might consider what you say as meaningful. Yet, nothing that you have said here, aside from the quotes from the Bible are at all meaningful to me. I will interpret God's Word as God sees fit.

 

[Yes]

You are correct until the last part of your teaching, but err in your teaching's close. The sin of a man's murder cannot be a direct benefit because murder is an infraction of the law. Just what sin do you think those people who were added to the church Jesus Christ is head of repented of by them having heard the Acts 2 message?
Do you think they confessed "Oh God I'm so happy and glad the blood of your only begotten son whom we murdered a while back has made us clean." or did they confess "Oh God have mercy, OH! God!! I'm so truly sorry your only begotten son Jesus was murdered and I approved of it? Forgive me God OH!! please for give me!! And if YOU! do not have the faith to confess like they did to save themselves you will surely perish. There is no other Way to save yourself from God's wrath.

Jesus CAME TO DIE for the sins of the world.

Romans 6:10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

1 Peter 2:14 "He himself bore our sins" in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; "by his wounds you have been healed."

Did you read those scriptures?

Do you believe them?

Do you understand them?

Jesus is the Sacrificial Lamb of God.

Jesus came to die for us.

Those men did not take Jesus' life without God's will.

Jesus gave his life to save us.

 

[Yes]

The sin of murdering Jesus Christ was not for the purpose of resolving guilt. By his murder and making an addition to the law it is an unlawful act not to have the faith to confess directly to God that you are sorry his only begotten son was murdered. You do not understand how the law of God works. God has not issued law to prevent sin, but so that a lawful procedure is established for resolving the guilt associated with sin. A sin is not accountable without law being issued until AFTER the offense is committed. The Sinai code does not have any proviso for resolving the guilt of the participants who caused any man's first degree murder by malice aforethought. Nor could the necessary physical evidence be presented for a violation of that codes first article,"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, all thy mind, and all thy soul.", until the murder of Jesus Christ happened and the law was changed to provide the only basis for establishing the only Way God is willing to clear the guilty. "For if thou shalt confess with thou mouth Jesus is Lord and God raised Him from the dead thou shalt be saved? NO! For it is with your heart, circumcised by guilt, that you believe and are justified, and it with your mouth that you confess, 'I am truly sorry your only begotten son Jesus was murdered when he was crucified' and are saved." There are no exceptions. For if you refuse you violate the only law of God, REPENT, that carries the penalty of eternal death.

He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds, we have been healed. Through the sacrifice of Jesus, he gives to all those that come to him freedom from the guilt, power, and punishment of sin. Through Jesus, we have grace from God and love. Jesus puts us into perfect holiness, joy, and fellowship with himself and the Father. “And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.” Jesus bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

 

[Yes]

Jesus Christ's murder was not for your benefit! He was murdered for the purpose of INCREASING sin. You've got it backwards.

The LAW was added for that.

Admit that you have made a mistake.

Romans 5:20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

The LAW was added for that.

Admit that you have made a mistake.

Romans 5:20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,

See the term "the (singular) trespass"? and the word law, it does not reference the Sinai code.
"The cross is an offense" of the Sinai code and the law was changed because of the cross causing only the sin of Jesus murder to be a double sin. It was a sin to murder him and that's a forgivable sin. But not having the faith to confess to God that you are truly sorry it happened the law referenced in Rom. 5:20 is offended. And the offense of that law, upstart, isn't forgivable.
I don't make mistakes.

 

[Yes]

See the term "the (singular) trespass"? and the word law, it does not reference the Sinai code.
"The cross is an offense" of the Sinai code and the law was changed because of the cross causing only the sin of Jesus murder to be a double sin. It was a sin to murder him and that's a forgivable sin. But not having the faith to confess to God that you are truly sorry it happened the law referenced in Rom. 5:20 is offended. And the offense of that law, upstart, isn't forgivable.
I don't make mistakes.

I see that you will not humble yourself and admit that you were shown the truth.

You are in a very bad position until you can humble yourself.

 

[Eileen]

So the Romans sacrificed him to what God?

Perhaps to their god but Yeshua was not sacrifice to himself or HaShem- he was not a sacrifice at all.

 

[BUTSeriously]

to what or to whom was Jesus sacrificed?

1.2 Million other Jews sacrificed themselves in the first century, and the Roman archives say they did this willingly. Why does the Gospel not contain this historical factor?

 

[BUTSeriously]

I see that you will not humble yourself and admit that you were shown the truth.

You are in a very bad position until you can humble yourself.

The Hebrew laws forbids a charge of murder without proof. Not a single Greek, Roman or Hebrew archives mentions this, other than the Gospels, which is 3rd Century. Why do Christians accept this?