If Jesus was God, explain this verse...

[TrueBeliever37]

Perhaps it would be best if we just agreed to disagree on this particular matter, as it appears we're not really having any kind of a real dialogue here.

ok - I was just trying to answer some of the questions you had asked in your post.

 

[Ingledsva]

The reason why Jesus was tempted in the wilderness by the Devil, because where Adam failed in the garden of Eden being tempted by the Devil, Jesus conquered the Devil in the wilderness.to regain control over the earth back from the Devil.

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The story has no conquering going on.

Nor does Tanakh say Satan is the serpent, - or evil. In Tanakh he is the Tester/adversary.

Mat 4 actually sounds like secret society testing.

He is led into the wilderness.
Alone, he fasts for 40 days and nights.
He is then tested by the Tester.
He answers correctly.
The tester leaves.
Jesus starts his ministry.
A change of hands just in time - as John the Baptist is imprisoned.

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[Kenny]

I consider that conclusion contrived and forced in contradiction with the Old Testament.

I stand with your right to have a differing position. I find it like a puzzle that fits perfectly

 

[Kenny]

I believe that is technically incorrect. God does not have parts. He is One.

I believe God is not material. The creed does say one substance but that is to distinguish from being nothing not to say the He is material.

I believe they are one in purpose because they have on will. Jesus also has the will of the flesh but the flesh is not God.

I believe that is correct. The Father, Son and Paraclete are one God.

I think we are arguing about grammatical construction and interpretations thereof. There is one God, which is defined by the sum of its parts -- Father, Son and Paraclete.

 

[osgart]

a Christian would tell you , he allowed Himself to be tempted to experience what it was like to be a human.

So that he would understand those oft infirmities of mankind.

 

[Faithofchristian]

When Jesus went up into the desert mountain, to be tempted by the devil
( Satan )
Now back in the garden of Eden, How many times do you suppose that Adam may haved pass by the tree of knowledge of good and evil, before Eve came to be?

Therefore it was not Adam that was first being deceived, but the woman Eve that was being deceived in the transgression.
1 Timothy 2:14.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Temptation is the union of justice and medicine i.e. cops, doctors, lawayers. It faught with Jesus of Nazareth because Jehovah in all his might is passive. Temptation is only a fallen angel, to be redeemed with perfect health and passive justice.

 

[cbullion]

Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

If Jesus was God, why was he tempted by the Devil? Can God be tempted by the Devil, his own creation?

Granted, he passed the test. But if he was God... Why was there a test in the first place? Does God need to test himself?

Are God and Jesus really one in the same? Please answer logically how this is possible given the verse above.

(Its an unreasonable burden to impose on the authorities the fallout of genetic dan as a result of god's mercies, however, they are free to choose to suffer, so a combination of moving their kinds away from the area of public awareness and euthanasia for public safety will be used.............the effect of joseph the blessings (rather, this is not a true sign of divorce), any hyperdimensional activity result in extreme volatile behavior of genetic dan with in a range, ideally this will be the range of euthanasia the Antichrist will use to protect his interests with the public and the authorities, either way, suffering and pain cannot be avoided with the consequence of genetic dan)

God reveal two genealogies in the new testament, one for the levites, those are God's Angels (rather, God himself), and the author of the written law in Luke..................One Genealogy for Joseph, the Angels of Jesus, these only state the written law.

The Line of Joseph, comes out of the King's Line of Judah...............God traditionally doesn't use a Levite to serve as an earthly king, God traditionally uses Joseph (When God introduced Joseph into the tribes, David/God, served as an Earthly King to answer that contradiction, but generally this is not so with God).........................Jesus came as a Levite and the Head of Joseph, but he did not serve as an Earthly King, when God says he was tempted of the Devil, God answered his dispute about the representative of Joseph, that would be used to proclaim the everlasting kingdom, at the time of the crucifixion..................long story short, Jesus was taken up a high mountain and crucified, Judas was dropped from a high mountain and hung from a tree (when God presents the Lord's Body, then God identifies with the everlasting kingdom on the terms of the gospel's law)

(euthanasia and displacement if any, we be used as it becomes necessary in dealing with Genetic Dan, ideally, that would be attributed to your willingness to suffer, however. God's Mercies are used as a division of the people not a conviction in the eyes of the revelation, we'll have to see what is allocated if anything ,and what is necessary at that time, which is in about 1 earth week ... ... ... ... global suicide that is attributed to all and any level of force against me, must be answered by the revealing of its intention, (euthanasia))

 

[Faithofchristian]

Why Jesus was tempted, because to take back this world from Death and to defeat Death.

 

[cbullion]

Why Jesus was tempted, because to take back this world from Death and to defeat Death.

(God revealed in one instance of the gospel's law his rebuke of teaching global suicide by manipulating his testimony when Barnabas/Barabbas (John/David) was released from satan's grip at the time of the crucifixion.......................In another instance of the gospel's law God appoints another Apostle after the Crucifixion of Jesus, a Apostle Jesus had already chosen, it was either Jesus himself or Judah, God called Matthias....................(fast forward to today, we went from just a few thousand in 9/11/2001, to over 500,000 in 2004, to almost a whole country in 2011, until we settle this problem of authority once and for all time)...................Long Story Short, God exceeded his interests of doing anything based on the level of energy that was expended, for anything before the immediate and effective euthanasia, so the "Devil tempted Jesus", in the amount of suffering and pain he could cause in obscuring God's Law, before euthanasia took place) (it is only a matter of time, before the global community is well versed, in a version of "pain for pain" that becomes common among the people, that has only existed in secret with the Antichrist and for years, until God allows this to be the focal point of revelation as it states in revelation 11, to begin the seven years)

 

[Ingledsva]

When Jesus went up into the desert mountain, to be tempted by the devil
( Satan )
Now back in the garden of Eden, How many times do you suppose that Adam may haved pass by the tree of knowledge of good and evil, before Eve came to be?

Therefore it was not Adam that was first being deceived, but the woman Eve that was being deceived in the transgression.
1 Timothy 2:14.

How many times? NONE.

In the Adam (first humankind) story, it is a dual being that is later split and told to procreate.

And by the way, a male could not have been first as all fetuses are female form first, and mitochondrial DNA is required for survival. - and ALL mitochondria are inherited from the mother, and only from the mother.

The line along the underside of the penis is where the external female organs came together. That suture line marks where their labia fused in the process of forming the penis and scrotum.

Contrary to the biblically derived idea that a female is a male without a penis, the truth is actually that a male is a female with an adapted vulva.”

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[cbullion]

How many times? NONE.

In the Adam (first humankind) story, it is a dual being that is later split and told to procreate.
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Contrary to the biblically derived idea that a female is a male without a penis, the truth is actually that a male is a female with an adapted vulva.”

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(spiritually, male is male, and female is male ... ... ... ... that is because God has given Satan no relation to the completed covenant, that comes under the theme of "Joseph the Blessings", this is completed at the end of time. 70 Generations of Angels from God and 42 Generations of Angels of Jesus the Head of Joseph, (matthew/luke genealogies) are not apart of the 666,000 (living body of jesus judgment, until the events of revelation) and the 200,000,000 (lamb slain/corpse of jesus, that is the max left behind to begin 5 months) (Joseph is called a Women, Jeremiah 33:20-21, when he is accounted with the Tribes in Revelation, not because you have a legal right to violate that person's body or testimony, this is a spiritual matter between God and his Covenant, first and foremost, the rest is measured in corpses as an enemy of god)

Is this a crashed alien spaceship on the surface of Mars?

MATTHEW 17:14 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a [certain] man, kneeling down to him, and saying,
MATTHEW 17:15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.
MATTHEW 17:16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
MATTHEW 17:17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
MATTHEW 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

God didn't give the Apostles the power over his Spirits. That is because at the end of the day, satan is another distant version of Jesus himself. (Numbers 22, Balaam and the Donkey). Jesus said the Apostles didn't have the "Faith" to perform the Action, that is because he did not give it in the first place....................Now what is said is said, so this is an official New Testament Version of God using his Mercies to Rebuke Satan's Spiritual Wickedness, going forwards:

Where is the Black Knight Satellite? (Ensign of the Nations, God's Willingness to Grant Equal Potential to the people for 5 Months under the clauses of the Sign of Divorce, that results from removing dead work and dead flesh)

Is it on the Planet Mars?
Is it under the Baltic Sea, there have been reports?
Is it floating in an orbit in space?
Is it in another dimension?

It is in another dimension, but there have been signs reporting God's Intentions. God sent two testimonies from the Ark of the Covenant with Noah, a Raven and a Dove. That is a Testament of God's Everlasting Intentions, and God's Temporal Intentions under the Gospel's Law. In the New Testament, Jesus was found on a Ship, and Jesus was found under the descending Dove......................now in the Events of Revelation, God says there is an "Unclean Bird", and God also Says "Star Wormwood".

(A Crime is being committed against the people and the nations, with INRI, and the creation of the human calamities as a result of using force against me....................I believe, the only choice we have to be faithful is to follow the footsteps of Jesus and to address the people directly.................Following that, an understanding and demonstration of God's Mercies..............the Black Knight Satellite, may be in my possession for 33 Days only, we'll have to see how the other versions of God's Mercies come into play, we have a few good ideas already)

 

[Muffled]

I'm reading this to say that you believe the Father and the Son are the same Person. Is that right?

It depends on your definition of person. If the definition is a physical being, Jesus is but the Father is not but one may not say they are different persons because the Father is not one but the Father is a figure of a person.

If the definition is having a personality then both share the same spiritual personality but Jesus will have a different physical personality as well.

If the definition is the Ecclesiastical one that says a person is a member of the Trinity then they are two different persons.

 

[Muffled]

My post #1296 gave a lot of scriptural proof. You just didn't include it before your response, which makes it look like it wasn't backed up by scripture.

Give some scripture to refute what I have said instead of just saying you don't believe it.

You say God is a Trinity, while John 4:24 says God is a Spirit. Who should I believe?

As far as John 5:18 - I didn't say there wasn't a Father and Son. I said the Father is the Holy Spirit, and the Son is the body of flesh he dwelt in and sacrificed for the sins of the world.

As far as John 14:26 - Keep reading and compare it with John 15:26 When the Comforter comes whom I will send to you ... Notice who would send the Holy Spirit in both verses. Is there a conflict? - No, not if you know and understand the truth.

Also, look at John 14:18 - I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you.

I believe you made your statement before providing scripture which meant you were begging the question. There is no attempt to show how that scripture should lead to the conclusion you reached before doing the reasoning. (of which there was none)

I don't believe I would ever say that unless I somehow misspoke. God is not a trinity. The Trinity is God.

I believe there is no choice to make since the verse agrees with what I said.

I believe you are correct that the Father is the Holy Spirit but the Son and the Paraclete are identified as the Holy Spirit also. If the Son were just flesh or have a different spirit then the cross would be meaningless and pointless.

I believe you need to say why I should notice this. I believe you should say why you think there may or may not be a conflict.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

I believe you made your statement before providing scripture which meant you were begging the question. There is no attempt to show how that scripture should lead to the conclusion you reached before doing the reasoning. (of which there was none)

I don't believe I would ever say that unless I somehow misspoke. God is not a trinity. The Trinity is God.

I believe there is no choice to make since the verse agrees with what I said.

I believe you are correct that the Father is the Holy Spirit but the Son and the Paraclete are identified as the Holy Spirit also. If the Son were just flesh or have a different spirit then the cross would be meaningless and pointless.

I believe you need to say why I should notice this. I believe you should say why you think there may or may not be a conflict.

I believe it is pointless to discuss this with you any further.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

If Jesus was God, why was he tempted by the Devil? Can God be tempted by the Devil, his own creation?

Granted, he passed the test. But if he was God... Why was there a test in the first place? Does God need to test himself?

Are God and Jesus really one in the same? Please answer logically how this is possible given the verse above.

This whole reason why Jesus was tempted, was to do what Adam did not do.

When Adam Failed, Satan taken control over this world.

Jesus came to take back control from Satan.

Jesus is God.with logical proof.

God made souls.
God made human body's
God encased souls in human body's

God made human body
God encased Himself in human body.
Of Jesus
Jesus is God.with logical proof.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Jesus came to take back control from Satan.

You think that's it? He didn't do a very good job then, did He?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

God did not encase himself in a human body. A living human consists of the physical body and a non physical spirit. God allowed his spirit to enter the physical body of Jesus. "God" consists of the Father and the Son who together make up the one "God". God can also allow His spirit to enter other peop;e's physical body so they can also be part of the God family. This is why the idea of God being a trinity is false. It limits God to being only three persons but God is expanding His family and can be millions of persons when His spirit enters them.

 

[Faithofchristian]

You think that's it? He didn't do a very good job then, did He?

Sure Jesus did. If Jesus didn't things would be far worse than they are now, Why ?
Because Satan and his angels would be here in person in control of everything.

Just because people do what they do. That's their choice to do what they do.

Jesus is still giving you a choice to whether to do right or to do wrong.

If you choose the worng pass to go down. That's your choice. And not the fault of Jesus.
You can only blame yourself there is no one twisting your arm to make you choose the right or wrong way. It's you that makes that decision in your life.

So do not blame Jesus for your wrong decisions in your life.

For say you told someone, do not cross that bridge it's unsafe. But they cross it anyway, And the bridge fell with them on it.

So who's at fault, You or them?

So in like manner, God warns people do not go down that road of sin, it will lead to destruction.

But yet People go anyways,
So who's at fault, the People or God?

 

[Ingledsva]

spiritually, male is male, and female is male. ...

In your mind.

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