If Russia Invades, What should NATO Do?

[Spirit of Light]

I think you are right.



How are you planning to get there?

I do not know at this moment in time if it is even possible....but if I go, probably with train, I been there before by train.

 

[Stonetree]

I don't know if my complaint is off topic.....What's with the low batting average of 'American Intelligence'?

 

[exchemist]

We helped create China, which we should never have done.

Wishing for a different past does not help us in the present.

 

[Kooky]

Yes, that was Chamberlin's deal and made a big deal of it, but it was just a ruse that bought Hitler time.

Fun fact: Hitler actually wanted war over Czechoslovakia, and was talked into the Munich conference by Göring and Mussolini.

It was considered a massive error of judgment.

But it wasn't. The UK was in no position to wage war against Germany on the European continent in 1938, and neither France nor the USSR were willing to go in alone.

 

[Kooky]

Give us an example of a real man.

It's an old man who likes to pose shirtless.

 

[Kooky]

Who is "they"? I'm guessing "they" isn't Putin and his aggressiveness that needs to stop? Have you not read history, namely what happened in Europe in the late 30's?

What I find odd about conservatives is that they always cry about independence and autonomy, unless it is a threat by an authoritarian, and then there's no interest.


Because trump was a corrupt president, much like Putin. Something was going on between them, no one knows what.


Because the Democrats you list honor Ukraine's autonomy and democracy? The West values democracy and ethics. Putin is an autocrat, he doesn't have to be accountable to the citizens, and he poses a great threat to stability in Europe. That is on Putin.

For what it's worth, the Putin regime isn't the only one heating up tension. There have been clashes between Donbass militia and Ukrainian soldiers for the better part of 2021, and 2020 for that matter.

It's a military conflict that has been going on since 2014, and which Europeans and Americans merely forgot about because they were busy with their own stuff. The only reason this is in US news at all is because the Biden regime is trying to bluster and threaten its way to a diplomatic solution, which I do not expect to arrive any time soon because neither Ukraine nor Russia are interested in one.

 

[metis]

First of all, thanks for your responses to the OP.

IMO, I would not engage in war nor support one, but I would withdraw all our diplomats; tell all the Soviet-- er, I mean Russian-- diplomats to leave this country indefinitely; announce that we will phase out all trade with Russia; and I think we should then beef up military assistance to our NATO allies in Europe in he attacks the Ukraine.

I have to wonder if Putin is seriously trying to "Make Soviets Great Again!" or whether it's a ploy to try and get some military concessions from NATO and the Ukranian government. Either way, I don't think we should allow him to play his game without there being some serious consequences.

 

[Kooky]

First of all, thanks for your responses to the OP.

IMO, I would not engage in war nor support one, but I would withdraw all our diplomats; tell all the Soviet-- er, I mean Russian-- diplomats to leave this country indefinitely; announce that we will phase out all trade with Russia; and I think we should then beef up military assistance to our NATO allies in Europe in he attacks the Ukraine.

I have to wonder if Putin is seriously trying to "Make Soviets Great Again!" or whether it's a ploy to try and get some military concessions from NATO and the Ukranian government. Either way, I don't think we should allow him to play his game without there being some serious consequences.

My read is that Russia's response to COVID has turned out to be a total disaster, and that a growing number of people are fed up with Putin's regime - to whit, only a total ban on protests, justified by COVID, had silenced the massive protests against Putin's economic policies that had already been going on pre-COVID.

I think that the Putin regime is in search of an easy victory it can present to its media in order for Putin to look like a strongman once again, now that he is too old to pose shirtless any more.

 

[metis]

My read is that Russia's response to COVID has turned out to be a total disaster, and that a growing number of people are fed up with Putin's regime - to whit, only a total ban on protests, justified by COVID, had silenced the massive protests against Putin's economic policies that had already been going on pre-COVID.

I think that the Putin regime is in search of an easy victory it can present to its media in order for Putin to look like a strongman once again, now that he is too old to pose shirtless any more.

Good point's, imo.

 

[F1fan]

Fun fact: Hitler actually wanted war over Czechoslovakia, and was talked into the Munich conference by Göring and Mussolini.

Right. Hitler actually expected war to begin and was shocked when it didn't.

But it wasn't. The UK was in no position to wage war against Germany on the European continent in 1938, and neither France nor the USSR were willing to go in alone.

Everyone was still recovering from the "war to end all wars". Germany rebuilt it's military, mostly in secret and against the agreement. England and France blew it by ignoring it. I think Hitler was given the benefit of the doubt. They had the Olympics in 36, and Hitler was even Time Magazine's Man of the Year in 1938. He was highly respected.

We see similarities with Putin. They had the Olympics a few years ago. They host a Formula 1 race every year. They are working to appear cooperative as a global player. Putin got away with annexing the Crimea, and now he's looking at Ukraine and testing the waters.

i think ultimately he won't invade. He has more to lose at this point. I think he will continue to posture until he gets something from the West.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Smurfs???

 

[sayak83]

Per the question in the title of this OP, what do you think should be done by NATO if Russia launches a full-scale assault on the Ukraine? How about your personal response to such an attack?

NATO should send troops to help Ukraine.

 

[Wandering Monk]

There is no figuring how Western Europe let itself become dependent on Russian oil. Did they never suspect that Russia would one day use that to cow them from opposing Russian aggression?

 

[metis]

There is no figuring how Western Europe let itself become dependent on Russian oil. Did they never suspect that Russia would one day use that to cow them from opposing Russian aggression?

Yep-- capitalism in action, as money is "god".

 

[pearl]

Putin wants a guarantee from Biden that Ukraine will not join Nato, which Biden cannot do.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

For what it's worth, the Putin regime isn't the only one heating up tension. There have been clashes between Donbass militia and Ukrainian soldiers for the better part of 2021, and 2020 for that matter.

So what exactly is the origin of the tension there, I take it it is complicated? Are multiple languages spoken in Ukraine? Is it true that russian funding was sent to the donbass region, and / or is it a territory that identifies with russia anyway, like crimea supposedly did?

And moreover, is the world actually going to end because of this, judging from this talk of 'radioactive ash' and mass burial procedures for radioactive bodies. That doesn't seem like normal talk

And frankly, even if nothing happens now, I don't think that kind of talk is repeatable ad infinitum. I think following this story really shows me that we really just have to colonize space, just to disperse the species.

Nukes represent not a tool of war, but with how powerful they now are, they can only represent an ending. It's like man has one of the most negative powers of a literal god.

The only reason this is in US news at all is because the Biden regime is trying to bluster and threaten its way to a diplomatic solution, which I do not expect to arrive any time soon because neither Ukraine nor Russia are interested in one.

I am following it now and it is still quite alarming. I am kind of glad it isn't getting more media coverage in a way, since they tend to amplify things