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If science is so great why hasn't it solved all of humanitys problems ?

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
Fine, try it. Give up everything science and technology has given us and set out into the wilderness. Remember, no clothes, no weapons to defend yourself (not even a pointed stick, once some primitive scientist discovered that sharpening a stick made it a better defense against predators than a blunt stick). You can't build a shelter, that's technology. No fire to cook any meat or plants you might manage to acquire. Just whatever you can do with your unaided body, teeth and nails. If you get lost don't navigate by the sun or stars, that's science.

Come back in a couple of days and let us know how you get on. Or not.

Naked and afraid
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Fine, try it. Give up everything science and technology has given us and set out into the wilderness. Remember, no clothes, no weapons to defend yourself (not even a pointed stick, once some primitive scientist discovered that sharpening a stick made it a better defense against predators than a blunt stick). You can't build a shelter, that's technology. No fire to cook any meat or plants you might manage to acquire. Just whatever you can do with your unaided body, teeth and nails. If you get lost don't navigate by the sun or stars, that's science.

Come back in a couple of days and let us know how you get on. Or not.
Lol! Struck a nerve did I?
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
You say science gives us the tools to make things better...but do all scientists engage in professions that make things better? And do that?
You are talking about applied science.
You seem to want to blame scientists for their discoveries. Yes, there are scientists that sell their soul to dubious research projects, but that is the same in all professions, including preachers.
It was a scientist who invented computers, made the motor car, got us to the moon, but also invented the atomic bomb and algorithms that swing elections.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I'm so sick and tired of atheist secular scientism it's just another religion.
OK your sick, but don't blame atheists.

Scientists are not necessarily atheists, and religious beliefs, including atheism has nothing to do with science,

Science only involves the knowledge of our physical existence. Solving the problems of humanity is uppppppp to problematic humans and applied sciences, Science can be used for good and of course bad
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
You say science gives us the tools to make things better...but do all scientists engage in professions that make things better? And do that?
Scientists are engaged in deciphering that which was handed down to a bunch of marginally literate people a few thousand years ago, sorry but as you should know from all the things you don't understand, we have had to figure it out on our own. We have figured out that bugs are bugs, but give them enough time and they may not look like what a five year old would call a bug. Other things have changed enough that some people have trouble comprehending the changes.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You are talking about applied science.
You seem to want to blame scientists for their discoveries.
Not at all. Discoveries are different than plastics polluting the ocean. Unless you want to say they discovered plastics are hurting the environment. And I am happy there are tests for illnesses as well as vaccines.
Yes, there are scientists that sell their soul to dubious research projects, but that is the same in all professions, including preachers.
It was a scientist who invented computers, made the motor car, got us to the moon, but also invented the atomic bomb and algorithms that swing elections.
I realize there are scientists hired by firms clearly producing products that are hurting humans and the environment who are said to hope to lessen the deleterious effects of the pollutants produced by the firm.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Scientists are engaged in deciphering that which was handed down to a bunch of marginally literate people a few thousand years ago, sorry but as you should know from all the things you don't understand, we have had to figure it out on our own. We have figured out that bugs are bugs, but give them enough time and they may not look like what a five year old would call a bug. Other things have changed enough that some people have trouble comprehending the changes.
Ah, I'm glad you said that about bugs. Thank you. Give them enough time, who knows? Maybe they will evolve to...??? Sorry, you guys and gals are making me laugh a little.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
OK your sick, but don't blame atheists.

Scientists are not necessarily atheists, and religious beliefs, including atheism has nothing to do with science,

Science only involves the knowledge of our physical existence. Solving the problems of humanity is uppppppp to problematic humans and applied sciences, Science can be used for good and of course bad
According to what I read that's right, many scientists are not atheists. "30–37% of scientists identify as non-believers or atheists, and an additional 10–28% as agnostic (with wide geographical differences) [17, 19]. In comparison," Creating a foundation for origin of life outreach: How scientists relate to their field, the public, and religion - PMC.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Go ahead and laugh at yourself, it is good for you.
Sorry for you but you don't get the joke. It's ok. There are comedians and not everyone thinks they're funny. (lolol again...) Yes, you guys are making me laugh. Out loud.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's bad form to over-use the "LOL" claim.
It happens, but it's fairly uncommon for
someone to actual laugh out loud.
Usually, "LOL" is a response to something
not funny, so it comes across as merely
derision. That gets old very quickly.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I'm so sick and tired of atheist secular scientism it's just another religion.
That is like asking why a hammer hasn't been able to solve the homeless crisis.

Science is a tool the output of which depends on the skills of the person using it.

Not everyone holding a hammer can build a mansion but doing so would be a lot harder without one.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You are talking about applied science.
You seem to want to blame scientists for their discoveries. Yes, there are scientists that sell their soul to dubious research projects, but that is the same in all professions, including preachers.
It was a scientist who invented computers, made the motor car, got us to the moon, but also invented the atomic bomb and algorithms that swing elections.
All a person has to do is look at governments, rebellions, people taking the lead, people cheating on their taxes, people taxing others while they get away with hiding what they earn, etc. If you don't understand that and how it relates all I can say is -- have a good day and bye for now. But thanks for your response which -- does show me a lot. :) So I encourage you to think about things. Take care.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
All a person has to do is look at governments, rebellions, people taking the lead, people cheating on their taxes, people taxing others while they get away with hiding what they earn, etc. If you don't understand that and how it relates all I can say is -- have a good day and bye for now. But thanks for your response which -- does show me a lot. :) So I encourage you to think about things. Take care.
Yup they are all acts of human beings and thus related as such, none of them have to do with the practice of science as a method of discovering new knowledge. A scientist can practice any of those behaviours just as any other human can, but they are not science.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
All a person has to do is look at governments, rebellions, people taking the lead, people cheating on their taxes, people taxing others while they get away with hiding what they earn, etc. If you don't understand that and how it relates all I can say is -- have a good day and bye for now.
You have complaints about the general human condition.
And that science hasn't cured its ills.
Some thoughts.....
- Science is a lengthy never ending process that wanders
greatly as it tends towards describing reality.
- Science is practiced by imperfect humans.
- Science is hard. It requires much study. Errors abound.
- Science isn't about determining what's moral / ethical.
- Science yields useful results, eg, vaccines, electronics.
- There's no better alternative to science for what it does.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
All a person has to do is look at governments, rebellions, people taking the lead, people cheating on their taxes, people taxing others while they get away with hiding what they earn, etc. If you don't understand that and how it relates all I can say is -- have a good day and bye for now. But thanks for your response which -- does show me a lot. :) So I encourage you to think about things. Take care.
What has that got to do with scientists or the topic.
Come on, keep on topic
Concentrate, instead of insulting.
 
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