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If science proves that non-local consciousness is real how does that change your understanding

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
I have already done that. 'Advait Hinduism' does not believe in duality. It is you who are talking of Gods and sons
Shiva and Shakti are sctually one, Father and Son are actually one. Brahman is actual non-dual, God actually is non-dual.
 

Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
“Shiva and Shakti are actually one, Father and Son are actually one. Brahman is actual non-dual, God actually is non-dual.” ben d

Peace to all,

"The unknown servant is the mystic in The One God and is the mystic that can unite all God's by a Different Name as One God of The Same Name in being." mystic Stephen

In the climactic war in the Mahabharata, the Pandava prince Arjuna and his brothers fight against their cousins, the Kauravas, with Krishna as Arjuna's charioteer. Faced with the moral dilemma of whether or not to fight against his own family, Arjuna has a crisis of conscience.

To me the true mystic of God is the same mystic of the Father God and is the same mystic of the same Gods by a different name, The God of One Name and The same Gods of Different Names is the mystic who can resolve between division and unite all Gods as One God in being.

To me this is similar to what St Paul did upon entering The Land of the Gentiles to introduce Jesus to the Gentiles. For they were very reverent, and had a temple for all the gods, and they even had a temple of the unknown god. Here St. Paul took the opportinity to Baptize the Gentiles with the Holy Spirit by introducing Jesus as the God of the unknown gods. This is the Pentecost of The Gentiles and Peter was with St Paul and said, "Who would not Baptize with water, those Paul Baptized with The Holy Spirit?"

To me in rationale and through Faith, Ishmael and Isaac are brothers through through the One Father in two names, Abraham and Abram and cousins to all mankind through two different mothers, Sarah and Hagar. With One Father it two names, Abraham and Abram and different Mothers, Sarah and Hagar, they are cousins to all mankind in Faith and Blood through the Old Covenant Living Sacrifice of Animals. The rationality follows to me, in And through the one God and Father we become one in being together through the One Son, Jesus for the Father by the Christ with a new and only one mother, Mary becoming brothers and sisters from the New Living Sacrifice through The One God's only Son from the spirit through the flesh for the souls of all mankind, and all over the world, together, from the power of the One Holy Spirit and God for all mankind to become again, united as one in being together through the One Son, The Christ is the New Temple and the New Living Sacrifice that transforms and glorifies and transfigures all mankind from the One God and One Father for all united in the One God in being from the One Love fulfilled eternal through The One Mother.

To me in rationale, the common denominator from Creation through fulfillment becomes the spirit intelligence becoming again.

““Brahma, who is addressed by that mystic word (Om),associated eternally with the triple universe (earth, sky, and heaven), and who is one with the four Vedas. Glory to Brahma, who alike in the destruction and renovation of the world is called the great and mysterious cause of the intellectual principle; who is without limit in time or space, and exempt from diminution and decay. . .. He is the invisible, imperishable Brahma; varying in form, invariable in substance; the chief principle, self-engendered; who is said to illuminate the caverns of the heart; who is indivisible, radiant, undecaying, multiform.”

To me, Brahma is multiform,

Agni is the Hindu god of fire. and the guardian deity of the southeast direction, he is typically found in southeast corners of Hindu temples.

Vayu is an important deity and is closely associated with Indra, the king of gods. He is mentioned to be born from the breath of Supreme Being Vishvapurusha.

Surya is the Sun as well as the solar deity in Hinduism. He is traditionally one of the major five deities in the Smarta tradition, all of whom are considered as equivalent deities in the Panchayatana puja and a means to realize Brahman.

Brahman is a supreme, universal spirit that is eternal and unchanging. Hindu holy books refer to Brahman as being present throughout the entire universe and Hindus believe that all living beings carry a part of Brahman within them. This divine spark is known as the atman.

Rather than lose their hold of the people, the priests adopted these new deities, and found a parentage for them from amongst the old Vedic gods. By the time the Epics were composed, Vishnu and Siva had been thus assimilated. The different names by which these deities are now known may possibly have been the local names of local or tribal gods; by retaining these the priests also retained their hold upon the people. In the “Satapatha Brāhmana” attempts are made to identify Siva with Agni, as though the writer wished to show that the later triad — Brahmā, Vishnu, and Siva — was identical with the older one composed of Agni, Indra-Vāyu, and Surya.

The word used by them for God as distinguished from his manifestations, is Brahma; and when charged with Polytheism, and of violating the primary law respecting the unity of God, they reply that Brahmā, Vishnu, Siva, etc., are only manifestations of the supreme Brahman.

The Vedas originated from the ancient Indo-Aryan culture of the Indian Subcontinent. They began as an oral tradition that was passed down through generations before being written down in Vedic Sanskrit between 1500 and 500 BCE.

Hindus believe that Brahman is present in all living beings, and that all living things return to Brahman after the reincarnation cycle.

Different schools of Hindu philosophy have different interpretations of Brahman. For example, the Advaita school believes that Brahman is distinct from anything phenomenal, while the Bhedabheda school believes that Brahman is nondifferent from the world.

The gods were originally mortal; but when they were pervaded by Brahman, they became immortal.” In the “Taittiriya Brāhmana” it is said: who alike in the destruction and renovation of the world is called the great and mysterious cause of the intellectual principle; who is without limit in time or space, and exempt from diminution and decay. . .. He is the invisible, imperishable Brahma; varying in form, invariable in substance; the chief principle, self-engendered; who is said to illuminate the caverns of the heart; who is indivisible, radiant, undecaying, multiform. To that supreme Brahma be for ever adoration.

Brahman is sometimes personified as Brahma, the creator god. Brahma is often depicted with a white beard, sitting on a lotus, and dressed in white, red, or pink.

Rationaly, Christian Disciples follow in the footsteps of Christ. What becomes to mystics is what uniteds the faiths in the common denominator which is the spirit. Disciples become more spiritual to me by pondering the 7 Gifts of The Holy Spirit. To me pondering the Dogmas of the Faith, perhaps 277 or more along with and through the gifts of the Holy Spirit we become mystical in the faith that unites all through the becomings of the Spirit.

Rationally, from the spirit through all earthly dimensions is from His Passion for all mankind, united becoming Her Love.

To me the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is a messager of God, who came to preach the word of God and teach mankind the teachings of morality. And what I see is The Christ fulfills faith and morality in the New Creation in the New Eve through all brothers and sisters together through the New Covenant Sacrifice that transforms and tranasfigures all through The New Covenant Commandment, to Love only, and fulfilled through His Passion.

To me in logic and through Faith, Ishmael and Isaac are brothers through through the One Father in two names, Abraham and Abram and cousins to all mankind through two different mothers, Sarah and Hagar. With One Father it two names, Abraham and Abram and different Mothers, Sarah and Hagar, they are cousins to all mankind in Faith and Blood through the Old Covenant Living Sacrifice of Animals. The rationality follows to me, in And through the one God and Father we become one in being together through the One Son, Jesus for the Father by the Christ with a new and only one mother, Mary becoming brothers and sisters from the New Living Sacrifice through The One God's only Son from the spirit through the flesh for the souls of all mankind, and all over the world, together, from the power of the One Holy Spirit and God for all mankind to become again, united as one in being together through the One Son, The Christ is the New Temple and the New Living Sacrifice that transforms and glorifies and transfigures all mankind from the One God and One Father for all united in the One God in being from the One Love fulfilled eternal through The One Mother.

To me the rationale follows the pattern that can be seen, perhaps, From the power of the Spirit and God for all mankind to become again, united as one in being together from the Holy Spirit Person and God through the One Son and God for One Father and God each separately God in Person united through His Passion in the One God in being for the Love of The One Mother.


Peace always,
Stephen
mystic in The One God
 
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Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
“Shiva and Shakti are actually one, Father and Son are actually one. Brahman is actual non-dual, God actually is non-dual.” ben d

Peace to all,

In the climactic war in the Mahabharata, the Pandava prince Arjuna and his brothers fight against their cousins, the Kauravas, with Krishna as Arjuna's charioteer. Faced with the moral dilemma of whether or not to fight against his own family, Arjuna has a crisis of conscience.

To me in logic and through Faith, Ishmael and Isaac are brothers through through the One Father in two names, Abraham and Abram and cousins to all mankind through two different mothers, Sarah and Hagar. With One Father it two names, Abraham and Abram and different Mothers, Sarah and Hagar, they are cousins to all mankind in Faith and Blood through the Old Covenant Living Sacrifice of Animals. The rationality follows to me, in And through the one God and Father we become one in being together through the One Son, Jesus for the Father by the Christ with a new and only one mother, Mary becoming brothers and sisters from the New Living Sacrifice through The One God's only Son from the spirit through the flesh for the souls of all mankind, and all over the world, together, from the power of the One Holy Spirit and God for all mankind to become again, united as one in being together through the One Son, The Christ is the New Temple and the New Living Sacrifice that transforms and glorifies and transfigures all mankind from the One God and One Father for all united in the One God in being from the One Love fulfilled eternal through The One Mother.

To me in rationale, the commondenominator in Creation fulfilled is the spirit.

““Brahma, who is addressed by that mystic word (Om),associated eternally with the triple universe (earth, sky, and heaven), and who is one with the four Vedas. Glory to Brahma, who alike in the destruction and renovation of the world is called the great and mysterious cause of the intellectual principle; who is without limit in time or space, and exempt from diminution and decay. . .. He is the invisible, imperishable Brahma; varying in form, invariable in substance; the chief principle, self-engendered; who is said to illuminate the caverns of the heart; who is indivisible, radiant, undecaying, multiform.”

To me, Brahma is multiform,

Agni is the Hindu god of fire. and the guardian deity of the southeast direction, he is typically found in southeast corners of Hindu temples.

Vayu is an important deity and is closely associated with Indra, the king of gods. He is mentioned to be born from the breath of Supreme Being Vishvapurusha.

Surya is the Sun as well as the solar deity in Hinduism. He is traditionally one of the major five deities in the Smarta tradition, all of whom are considered as equivalent deities in the Panchayatana puja and a means to realise Brahman.

Brahman is a supreme, universal spirit that is eternal and unchanging. Hindu holy books refer to Brahman as being present throughout the entire universe and Hindus believe that all living beings carry a part of Brahman within them. This divine spark is known as the atman.

Rather than lose their hold of the people, the priests adopted these new deities, and found a parentage for them from amongst the old Vedic gods. By the time the Epics were composed, Vishnu and Siva had been thus assimilated. The different names by which these deities are now known may possibly have been the local names of local or tribal gods; by retaining these the priests also retained their hold upon the people. In the “Satapatha Brāhmana” attempts are made to identify Siva with Agni, as though the writer wished to show that the later triad — Brahmā, Vishnu, and Siva — was identical with the older one composed of Agni, Indra-Vāyu, and Surya.

The word used by them for God as distinguished from his manifestations, is Brahma; and when charged with Polytheism, and of violating the primary law respecting the unity of God, they reply that Brahmā, Vishnu, Siva, etc., are only manifestations of the supreme Brahman.

The Vedas originated from the ancient Indo-Aryan culture of the Indian Subcontinent. They began as an oral tradition that was passed down through generations before being written down in Vedic Sanskrit between 1500 and 500 BCE.

Hindus believe that Brahman is present in all living beings, and that all living things return to Brahman after the reincarnation cycle.

Different schools of Hindu philosophy have different interpretations of Brahman. For example, the Advaita school believes that Brahman is distinct from anything phenomenal, while the Bhedabheda school believes that Brahman is nondifferent from the world.

The gods were originally mortal; but when they were pervaded by Brahman, they became immortal.” In the “Taittiriya Brāhmana” it is said: who alike in the destruction and renovation of the world is called the great and mysterious cause of the intellectual principle; who is without limit in time or space, and exempt from diminution and decay. . .. He is the invisible, imperishable Brahma; varying in form, invariable in substance; the chief principle, self-engendered; who is said to illuminate the caverns of the heart; who is indivisible, radiant, undecaying, multiform. To that supreme Brahma be for ever adoration.

Brahman is sometimes personified as Brahma, the creator god. Brahma is often depicted with a white beard, sitting on a lotus, and dressed in white, red, or pink.

To me the rationale follows the pattern that can be seen, perhaps, From the power of the Spirit and God for all mankind to become again, united as one in being together from the Holy Spirit Person and God through the One Son and God for One Father and God each separately God in Person united through His Passion in the One God in being for the Love of The One Mother.

Peace always,
StephenView attachment 99186
Wow.
Yes, once we start making distinctions between the different expressions of the one God, it can go on until infinity. different galaxies, dirrent stars, different archangels, different worlds, different angels, different planetary kingdoms of nature, different human beings, different tissues of an organ, different cells of the tissue, different molecules of the cell, different atoms of the molecule, different particles of the atom, every electron is a unique expression of the one God, it goes on until infiinity. Science tends to be differentiative in discovering and making distinctions between all the parts, and is prone to lose itself there, while religion te tends to be integrative and will result in discovering the universal love within oneself that is the one source of all that is.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
 

Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
"Oneness is taught in all religions I know, Taoism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Sanatan Dharma, in all spirit based faiths of The World, I don't know why you think Christianity should not be included"? Benjamin Dhyan

"between the different expressions of the one God, it can go on until infinity. different galaxies, different stars, different archangels, different worlds, different angels, different planetary kingdoms of nature, different human beings, different tissues of an organ, different cells of the tissue, different molecules of the cell, different atoms of the molecule, different particles of the atom, every electron is a unique expression of the one God, it goes on until infinity" Benjamin Dhyan

Peace to all,

“For from him and through him and for him are all things, to Him be the glory forever.” Romans 11:36

From One Father with two names, through two Son's with different mothers all mankind becomes cousins to the two brothers who are sons of The Father with two names through different Mothers apart, and separated, un-united, "between the different expressions of the one God, it can go on until infinity. different galaxies, different stars, different archangels, different worlds, different angels, different planetary kingdoms of nature, different human beings, different tissues of an organ, different cells of the tissue, different molecules of the cell, different atoms of the molecule, different particles of the atom, every electron is a unique expression of the one God, it goes on until infinity", for all mankind.

From One Father with One Name through One Son with One Mother becomes brothers and sisters, together, united, as one in being, "among all the different expressions of the one God, it can go on until infinity. different galaxies, dirrent stars, different archangels, different worlds, different angels, different planetary kingdoms of nature, different human beings, different tissues of an organ, different cells of the tissue, different molecules of the cell, different atoms of the molecule, different particles of the atom, every electron is a unique expression of the one God, it goes one until infinity", becoming as one together from the One Spirit through the One Son for The One Father united in the One God, for all mankind.

Through him the whole structure is held together
and grows into a temple sacred in the Lord;
in him you also are being built together
into a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

We know we all have to be able to see all mankind as "Son's of God."

To me the true mystic of God, and there are many, is the same mystic of the Father God and is the same mystic of all Gods, The God of One Name and The Gods of Different Names is the mystic who can resolve between division and unite all Gods as One God in being.

"The Father knows the Son and the Son knows the Father" Matthew 11:27:

Peace to all,
Stephen
 
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Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
Peace to all,

To me in all consciensiousness,

"For from him and through him and for him are all things, to him be the glory forever". Romans 11:36

To the servant of Allah, the same God in a different name and the same God who is of many names, we become together in the Name of One God together again.

The unknown servant is the servant in The One God and is the servant that can serve all, to help unite all mankind together from God's by a Different Name through the The God of One Name for all in being.

Peace always,
M Stephen
 
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Martin

Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
Interesting discussion. Clearly consciousness is ubiqitious, the question seems to be whether it is one consciousness that we all share, or individual occurences of the same function.
 

Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
Peace to all,

So true, Martin, thanks for the information.

Rationally to me, The individual occurrences are from "bi-conscience" of the spirit choice of the first spirit that through choice blow for anywhere. The Holy Spirit "Uni-Conscience" is the wind from Heaven and returns from where the Spirit came, Heaven.

From One Father with two names, through two Son's with different mothers all mankind becomes cousins to the two brothers who are sons of The Father with two names through different Mothers apart, and separated, un-united, "between the different expressions of the one God, it can go on until infinity. different galaxies, different stars, different archangels, different worlds, different angels, different planetary kingdoms of nature, different human beings, different tissues of an organ, different cells of the tissue, different molecules of the cell, different atoms of the molecule, different particles of the atom, every electron is a unique expression of the one God, it goes on until infinity", for all mankind.

Rationally, from the same father with two different names and two wives with each one son that are brothers, all mankind are cousins and a sacrifice of animals only restore friendship to God resting in the Chasm of The Bosom of Abraham. The Flesh remains dead.

From His Passion through the fulfillment of faith and morality in One Father and One Son from One Mother, fulfillment of the Living Sacrifice returns those awaiting from the Bosom of Abraham united together as brothers and sisters in One Mother of all mankind, from the Spirit of the One God through the flesh of the One Son for the souls of all mankind becoming again the image of the Creator and One God for The Father, God through the Love of The One Mother.

as Borother of all mankind together from the New Spirit from teh One God throug hteh felh of teh One Son tfro teh souls of all mankind becon

From Old Covenant Sacrifice of animals only returns the souls to the Bosom Of Abraham, and the New Covenant Sacrifice of Christ transforms from the failed mortal Flesh and corruptible Spirits of Adam and Eve. From the Immaculate Conception through The New Eve, The Immortal Spirit and Incorruptible Flesh of Mary is The Virgin Birth of The Christ, the Person of The Holy Spirit in the Flesh of Jesus, shared for All mankind, from the sacrifice through The Son for The One Father becoming again glorified and transfigured image of the Creator and One God to the One Father and God.

From One Father with One Name through One Son with One Mother becomes brothers and sisters, together, united, as one in being, "among all the different expressions of the one God, it can go on until infinity. different galaxies, different stars, different archangels, different worlds, different angels, different planetary kingdoms of nature, different human beings, different tissues of an organ, different cells of the tissue, different molecules of the cell, different atoms of the molecule, different particles of the atom, every electron is a unique expression of the one God, it goes one until infinity", becoming as one together from the One Spirit through the One Son for The One Father united in the One God, for all mankind.

Rationally to me and is What is shared and is from the cross and from The Person of Jesus as The Christ, and is the person of Jesus in the Mind God and is the Christ in all mankind, the personal epiphany and manifestation of God in all mankind becoming Son's And Daughter's of God together, when He says, "It is finished". Rationally, the delivery of the Mind of The Creator, God through the flesh of as human is the Christ in all mankind and comes to earth shared as one in being.

And delivered in a special way, Conceived by a singular grace from God sanctifying the spirit and flesh of Mary, becoming the first person on earth from the Holy Spirit Person through the flesh of Mary becoming immortal and incorruptible when Mary said, in 0AD, Anno Domini, (Latin for the beginning of church time), rationally God's time now begins on earth, in real time, "Let not my will but Your Will be done." Even Mary tells Bernadette, "I Am the Immaculate Conception". And from the Immaculate Conception through the Virgin Birth by the Power of the Holy Spirit Person conceived in the Person of Jesus becoming The Christ, incorruptible in spirit from the Holy Spirit through the Power becoming immortal through flesh becoming the Immortal and Incorruptible Christ for the souls of Jesus in Person and The Holy Spirit Person becoming the Christ as One, on earth. The Virgin Birth requires no blood and water birth to earth because the Souls of the Person of Holy Spirit Person and the Person of Jesus together in The Christ preexisted in Heaven.

But His birth back to heaven was different, where the blood and water did flow, and for all mankind and is the rebirth of the Christ, the "Firstborn of all creation" back to Heaven for all mankind. And from the cross, What is left behind is the Paraclete, for all to share in union with all mankind becoming again as one in being through the Son for The Father and is the Shared Person of the Will of The Father in the Person of The Holy Spirit through the Christ, Jesus and The Holy Spirit in being, from the shared Divine Spirit, The Person of The Holy Spirit, through the flesh of The Person of Jesus, for the souls of all mankind.

To me in all rationale, ubiquitous, means present, appearing, or found everywhere and to me from the Word and is the intelligence of Creation that is ubiquitous and exists before creation was ever created and becomes conceived from the Power of Person of The Holy Spirit through the Person of Jesus becoming the Christ, the One Son of The Father and God for all mankind to become again into the shared intelligence of creation from the spirit through the flesh becoming through transformed immortalization through the flesh and incorruption for the spirit becoming again glorified through the flesh and transfigured from the spirit for all into the image of the Creator and One God through The Person of the One Father, for the Love of the One Mother, Mary, "Ecce mater tua", for all in The One God.

Rationally, to me The intelligence of creation is the Will of The Father, the Wind of the Holy Spirit and becomes the transformed being and becomes again in Flesh glorified reimaged into the pattern of fulfilled Creation and Holy Spirit transfigured and unites all as one in being and follows, as not a question to answer for us for others but for only us to judge our own souls from the spirit through the flesh for our souls and answer exactly as in becoming like Our Brother, "What would Jesus do in all cases of fulfilled faith and morality".
Peace always,
Stephen
 
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ChieftheCef

Active Member
Too many threads are rehashes of what people believe or don't believe in opposition to each other. My question is whether the CIA report constitutes enough evidence for people to consider changing their minds.

The article title is not very descriptive. To avoid TL;DR, focus on the CIA review and hopefully read it. What he said "CIA program" is not correct, but what the CIA was involved with was deciding whether or not there was something real and if it was of use to gather intelligence. The report itself is to me a classic example of what is needed when examining findings such as they did. The key finding is:
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The detail: He started with this perspective:

I always came back to the same conclusion. Humans could rationalize that life is meaningful to us, but in the grand scheme of things, there was no meaning. The people who told themselves there were just comforting themselves, I thought. I believed science was moving us beyond religion and superstitions about life after death.

But then: Scientific proof convinced me that psychic phenomena is real

I looked at documents from a CIA program where people were asked to send their thoughts — using just their minds — to others. The program concluded that there was a "statistically significant" success in doing this.
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I've come to believe in non-local consciousness, or consciousness that originates outside our physical bodies and outside our brains. To me, this is the most scientifically sound explanation.

I often think about what skeptics would say. I used to be one of them. There's a tendency to try to push aside anomalies that don't fit into our understanding of the world, just the way I did with anecdotes about the unexplainable.
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I believe there is something spiritual in the universe, beyond our typical senses. I don't choose to believe that because it's comforting, but because that's where the scientific evidence has pointed me.
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But one thing I feel certain about is that there's more for science to discover.
I mean like anyone can say they're from the CIA. This could've been Russians or even the catholic church.

That being said it does not change my worldview. Would've back at certain times literally ten years ago.
 
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