If science proves that non-local consciousness is real how does that change your understanding

[shunyadragon]

It is not a belief, you just don't understand becaise you have never stilled your mind have you?

All you need to do is still your mind and the brain ego-self does not arise, when there is no brain-ego self consciousness arising in the mind, there is no mind duality, there is just pure awareness without self-awareness, ie., non-duality. The very moment that duality returns with the re-arising of the brain ego-self, the ego-self has access to the memory of the non-dual state experience and if yet a relative novice to dhyan meditation, it imagines itself to have experienced non-duality, which error will lead to much difficult karma for the aspirant.

The above like other posts represents your religious beliefs by definition.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The above like other posts represents your religious beliefs by definition.

Ok, perhaps you are unaware that I've also explained this many times before to those who have never realized non-duality, that the teaching of others by definiton implies duality, the teacher/conceptualizer and the student/conceptualizer.

Iow, conceptualization is essential for a teacher student exchange, but when the subject is about realizing non-duality, it should be understood that the true teaching is to cease all thought to realize non-duality and so it is a unique situation. In this case, because duality is essential for teaching, there is this old saying about the true teaching concerning the realization of the state of non-duality. This true teaching is that there is no true teaching, nevertheless this teaching that there is no true teaching, is the true teaching!

So yes, the teaching/explanation is dualistic, but the goal is non-dualism.

 

[Andrew Stephen]

Peace to all,

Good imformation, ben d thanks.

To me rationally, The Nod-Duality of the intelligence of Creation is eternal life fulfilled manifested by the Power from the non-duality intelligence of creation through the transformed immortality of the flesh and mind duality incorruptibility becoming again glorified immortality and transfigured non-duality becoming "just pure awareness" into the image of the Creator God for The Father.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[blü 2]

Too many threads are rehashes of what people believe or don't believe in opposition to each other. My question is whether the CIA report constitutes enough evidence for people to consider changing their minds.

The article title is not very descriptive. To avoid TL;DR, focus on the CIA review and hopefully read it. What he said "CIA program" is not correct, but what the CIA was involved with was deciding whether or not there was something real and if it was of use to gather intelligence. The report itself is to me a classic example of what is needed when examining findings such as they did. The key finding is:
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The detail: He started with this perspective:

I always came back to the same conclusion. Humans could rationalize that life is meaningful to us, but in the grand scheme of things, there was no meaning. The people who told themselves there were just comforting themselves, I thought. I believed science was moving us beyond religion and superstitions about life after death.

But then: Scientific proof convinced me that psychic phenomena is real

I looked at documents from a CIA program where people were asked to send their thoughts — using just their minds — to others. The program concluded that there was a "statistically significant" success in doing this.
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I've come to believe in non-local consciousness, or consciousness that originates outside our physical bodies and outside our brains. To me, this is the most scientifically sound explanation.

I often think about what skeptics would say. I used to be one of them. There's a tendency to try to push aside anomalies that don't fit into our understanding of the world, just the way I did with anecdotes about the unexplainable.
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I believe there is something spiritual in the universe, beyond our typical senses. I don't choose to believe that because it's comforting, but because that's where the scientific evidence has pointed me.
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But one thing I feel certain about is that there's more for science to discover.

The falsifier here is the failure of academics and students in great numbers to apply for grants to study such claims.

They all remind me of James Randi's reward, ultimately a million dollars, for a demonstration of 'psychic' abilities under controlled conditions ─ which as you know was never claimed.

They also remind me of Uri Geller >Uri Geller - Wikipedia<.

And of the song "You Can't Stop me from Dreaming".

 

[Andrew Stephen]

Peace to all,

True, blu2, thanks for the information, very informative, thanks again.

Some people ask and perhaps say:

"I've come to believe in non-local consciousness, or consciousness that originates outside our physical bodies and outside our brains. To me, this is the most scientifically sound explanation."

"I always came back to the same conclusion. Humans could rationalize that life is meaningful to us, but in the grand scheme of things, there was no meaning. The people who told themselves there were just comforting themselves, I thought. I believed science was moving us beyond religion and superstitions about life after death."

and some in understanding may say:

"I've come to believe in non-local consciousness, or consciousness that originates outside our physical bodies and outside our brains. To me, this is the most scientifically sound explanation."

But if you ask me, I myself, think rationally anything can be understood and explained, rationally, thanks, Stephen.

"This true teaching is that there is no true teaching," Ben D Oct, 2024

To me the rationality of: "So yes, the teaching/explanation is dualistic, but the goal is non-dualism." Ben D

Thanks Ben for the concept and from this, what is see in your presentation is a goal, please advise if you see it correctly as you have presented, thanks in advance.

Thanks to all in advance for reading and this is the rationale, I see, and please advise if there are any foreseen errors in truth, thanks in advance for checking, verifying.

mind-duality to me in the goal "which error will lead to much difficult karma for the aspirant" Ben D

I, through the finite disciplines can never understand the infinite understanding of DNA, but, To me rationally, Mine duality, is The failed component in created DNA and is a chance for failure, or internal temptations, or the freedom to love or not love through the failed spirit of choice. To me, fulfilled is Mind non-duality, and is The fulfilled DNA will not include choice and Will have the option to only Love.

To me the conscience is always aware from creation, becoming from created, from sun powered to Son powered fulfilled eternal non-local conscience as the fulfilled intelligence of creation.

To me rationally, non-local conscience is eternal, and is actually The Word that become Flesh.
To me, the Local, (of Earth) conscience is mortal, from Adam and Eve becoming unconfirmed non-local conscience through The Christ and becoming confirmed into the image of the non-local conscience of the Creator God for The Father.

To me the rationality of created duality conscience is becoming the transformed unconfirmed non-duality conscience and then confirmed non-duality is the intelligence becoming again transfigured in the being as the eternally manifested becoming non-duality intelligence as fulfilled.
I know teh above sentence is run on and to me becomes understandable when thinking of three things at once, from created to transformed and becoming again transfigured, all in the same line from duality becoming finally fulfilled non-duality, in all rationality.

I all rartionale, the mind of God has to become in image transformation and transfiguration from created mortal and corrupt back to immortal creation through re-Sanctified Confirmation to bring Love to the Creator so He will not be alone, for The Creator too wants to be Loved.

"there is just pure awareness without self-awareness, ie., non-duality". Ben d

To me rationally, The Nod-Duality of the intelligence of Creation is eternal life fulfilled manifested by the Power from the non-duality intelligence of creation through the transformed immortality of the flesh and mind duality incorruptibility becoming again glorified immortality and transfigured non-duality becoming "just pure awareness" that will manifest from the new reality of non-local conscience of the fulfilled faith and morality through the New Being into the image of the Creator God for The Father.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Peace to all,

True, blu2, thanks for the information, very informative, thanks again.

Some people ask and perhaps say:

"I've come to believe in non-local consciousness, or consciousness that originates outside our physical bodies and outside our brains. To me, this is the most scientifically sound explanation."

"I always came back to the same conclusion. Humans could rationalize that life is meaningful to us, but in the grand scheme of things, there was no meaning. The people who told themselves there were just comforting themselves, I thought. I believed science was moving us beyond religion and superstitions about life after death."

and some in understanding may say:

"I've come to believe in non-local consciousness, or consciousness that originates outside our physical bodies and outside our brains. To me, this is the most scientifically sound explanation."

But if you ask me, I myself, think rationally anything can be understood and explained, rationally, thanks, Stephen.

"This true teaching is that there is no true teaching," Ben D Oct, 2024

To me the ratioality of: "So yes, the teaching/explanation is dualistic, but the goal is non-dualism." Ben D

Thanks Ben for the concept and from this, what is see in your presentation is a goal, please advise if you see it correctly as you have presented, thanks in advance.

Thanks to all in advance for reading and this is the rationale, I see, and please advise if there are any foreseen errors in truth, thanks in advance fro checking, verifying.

mind-duality to me in the goal "which error will lead to much difficult karma for the aspirant" Ben D

I, through the finite disciplines can never understand the infinite understanding of DNA, but, To me rationally, Mine duality, is The failed component in created DNA and is a chance for failure, or internal temptations, or the freedom to love or not love through the failed spirit of choice. To me, fulfilled is Mind non-duality, and is The fulfilled DNA will not include choice and Will have the option to only Love.

To me the conscience is always aware from creation, becoming from created, from sun powered to Son powered fulfilled eternal non-local conscience as the fulfilled intelligence of creation.

To me rationally, non-local conscience is eternal, and is actually The Word that become Flesh.
To me, the Local, (of Earth) conscience is mortal, from Adam and Eve becoming unconfirmed non-local conscience through The Christ and becoming confirmed into the image of the non-local conscience of the Creator God for The Father.

To me the rationality of created duality conscience is becoming the transformed unconfirmed non-duality conscience and then confirmed non-duality is the intelligence becoming again transfigured in the being as the eternally manifested becoming non-duality intelligence as fulfilled.
I know teh above sentence is run on and to me becomes understandable when thinking of three things at once, from created to transformed and becoming again transfigured, all in the same line from duality becoming finally fulfilled non-duality, in all rationality.

I all rartionale, the mind of God has to become in image transformation and transfiguration from created mortal and corrupt back to immortal creation through re-Sanctified Confirmation to bring Love to the Creator so He will not be alone, for The Creator too wants to be Loved.

"there is just pure awareness without self-awareness, ie., non-duality". ben d

To me rationally, The Nod-Duality of the intelligence of Creation is eternal life fulfilled manifested by the Power from the non-duality intelligence of creation through the transformed immortality of the flesh and mind duality incorruptibility becoming again glorified immortality and transfigured non-duality becoming "just pure awareness" that will manifest from the new reality of non-local conscience of the fulfilled faith and morality through the New Being into the image of the Creator God for The Father.

Peace always,
Stephen

Yes Stephen, you understand. The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil is the dualistic conceptualization of reality, wheras pure awareness is the non-dual Christ Consciousness/Love.

 

[Audie]

The above like other posts represents your religious beliefs by definition.

Aka dream world

 

[shunyadragon]

Ok, perhaps you are unaware that I've also explained this many times before to those who have never realized non-duality, that the teaching of others by definiton implies duality, the teacher/conceptualizer and the student/conceptualizer.

Iow, conceptualization is essential for a teacher student exchange, but when the subject is about realizing non-duality, it should be understood that the true teaching is to cease all thought to realize non-duality and so it is a unique situation. In this case, because duality is essential for teaching, there is this old saying about the true teaching concerning the realization of the state of non-duality. This true teaching is that there is no true teaching, nevertheless this teaching that there is no true teaching, is the true teaching!

So yes, the teaching/explanation is dualistic, but the goal is non-dualism.

The nature of our physical existence is non-dualistic without considerations of a vague, nebulous. religious claim of non-local consciousness. You refer Christian religious beliefs to support your argument.

Teacher/student relationship only applies to teaching of knowledge, You have nothing to offer other than your religious belief,

 

[Andrew Stephen]

Peace to all ,

Respectfully, requesting logic and rationality check on the words below, thanks again in advance to all reading.

To me and rationality, the dual mode conscious is the corrupt spirit logic that has choice and the non-mode conscious is the fulfilled creation logic that never fails in only the ability to choose eternal love.

To me, the physical existence exist in mortal flesh with a choice for a spirit failed or selecting a fulfilled spirit, which is the intelligence of creation that never fails in the one divine Spirit will of creation from the spirit through the flesh for the soul of the being becoming transformed immortal and incorruptible, becoming again glorified and transfigured.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[wellwisher]

Ok, perhaps you are unaware that I've also explained this many times before to those who have never realized non-duality, that the teaching of others by definiton implies duality, the teacher/conceptualizer and the student/conceptualizer.

Iow, conceptualization is essential for a teacher student exchange, but when the subject is about realizing non-duality, it should be understood that the true teaching is to cease all thought to realize non-duality and so it is a unique situation. In this case, because duality is essential for teaching, there is this old saying about the true teaching concerning the realization of the state of non-duality. This true teaching is that there is no true teaching, nevertheless this teaching that there is no true teaching, is the true teaching!

So yes, the teaching/explanation is dualistic, but the goal is non-dualism.

Logic and reason is 2-D thought. This is based on the duality of cause=x and effect=y. Non-duality begins when logic becomes more esoteric.

This true teaching is that there is no true teaching, nevertheless this teaching that there is no true teaching, is the true teaching!

Esoteric does not reduce to 1-D, but rather begins to add a third or z-axis onto the (x, y) of cause and effect. In terms of a visual, this is like going from a 2-D painting; logic, to a 2+-D relief drawing; esoteric. The relief or the z-axis aspect comes out of the 2-D plane.

In this case, you not only use your eyes, but also your sense of touch, and can feel the relief; elevations. Esoteric evokes an extra sense; intuitive feelings, coming out of the logic. In the limits, the z-axis goes to infinity and we have a 3-D effect; spatial concept. Spatial is sort of like a new 1.

Esoteric thinking, from an anatomic POV, is about the two sides of the brain, working on the same project. The Left brain is more rational and differential; 2-D painting, while the right brain is more intuitive and integral; relief. The right brain adds the elevation and relief for the esoteric. With esoteric, part of you can sense something, beyond logic, that may be hard to put into words and make clear sense.

If you touch the picture of a relief drawing above, you will not feel any elevation. This is not a genuine relief drawing, but a 2-D image of a 2+-D relief drawing. I call this special effect a spatial image. It looks like 2+-D, to the eyes, but does not involve the sense of touch. It is done with 2-D logic, by adding highlights; positive things and shadows mud slinging and negativities. This common to politics, where ideas give that esoteric non-duality feeling, but are not genuine; shadows of hate. With a genuine relief drawing, I can take a flash light and the shadows and highlights should move with the light. This will not happen with a spatial image. In this case we use light at different angles to break the illusion of non-duality. This can be done all with 2-D sight.

I developed a system, that I called thought dimensionality theory, where all types of human thought, from one and both sides of the brain can be expressed using geometric analogies from 0-D to 4-D. This topic is just the range from 2-D to 2+=D, where right brain data appears. Esoteric thinking is a good full brain exercise with the goal of spatial thinking; 3-D modeling.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The nature of our physical existence is non-dualistic without considerations of a vague, nebulous. religious claim of non-local consciousness. You refer Christian religious beliefs to support your argument.

Teacher/student relationship only applies to teaching of knowledge, You have nothing to offer other than your religious belief,

That does not make sense, physical existence is not the totality of existence, have you ever attained to the state of mind free from all thought, and if so, what was the experience?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Logic and reason is 2-D thought. This is based on the duality of cause=x and effect=y. Non-duality begins when logic becomes more esoteric.

Esoteric does not reduce to 1-D, but rather begins to add a third or z-axis onto the (x, y) of cause and effect. In terms of a visual, this is like going from a 2-D painting; logic, to a 2+-D relief drawing; esoteric. The relief or the z-axis aspect comes out of the 2-D plane.

In this case, you not only use your eyes, but also your sense of touch, and can feel the relief; elevations. Esoteric evokes an extra sense; intuitive feelings, coming out of the logic. In the limits, the z-axis goes to infinity and we have a 3-D effect; spatial concept. Spatial is sort of like a new 1.

Esoteric thinking, from an anatomic POV, is about the two sides of the brain, working on the same project. The Left brain is more rational and differential; 2-D painting, while the right brain is more intuitive and integral; relief. The right brain adds the elevation and relief for the esoteric. With esoteric, part of you can sense something, beyond logic, that may be hard to put into words and make clear sense.

If you touch the picture of a relief drawing above, you will not feel any elevation. This is not a genuine relief drawing, but a 2-D image of a 2+-D relief drawing. I call this special effect a spatial image. It looks like 2+-D, to the eyes, but does not involve the sense of touch. It is done with 2-D logic, by adding highlights; positive things and shadows mud slinging and negativities. This common to politics, where ideas give that esoteric non-duality feeling, but are not genuine; shadows of hate. With a genuine relief drawing, I can take a flash light and the shadows and highlights should move with the light. This will not happen with a spatial image. In this case we use light at different angles to break the illusion of non-duality. This can be done all with 2-D sight.

I developed a system, that I called thought dimensionality theory, where all types of human thought, from one and both sides of the brain can be expressed using geometric analogies from 0-D to 4-D. This topic is just the range from 2-D to 2+=D, where right brain data appears. Esoteric thinking is a good full brain exercise with the goal of spatial thinking; 3-D modeling.

Nonsense, the state of non-duality is oneness. there is no logic and no non-logic, it is free from all concepts, all thoughts, all words, all maths. It is pure awareness, Christ Consciousness.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I've come to believe in non-local consciousness, or consciousness that originates outside our physical bodies and outside our brains. To me, this is the most scientifically sound explanation.

I believe there is something spiritual in the universe, beyond our typical senses. I don't choose to believe that because it's comforting, but because that's where the scientific evidence has pointed me.

But one thing I feel certain about is that there's more for science to discover.

I was not able to read the article. They demand money. Who is the writer of the article and what are his qualifications? CIA has money and they many a times spend it on useless projects. Sunrise, you have not quoted what scientific evidence led this person to believe in something spiritual in the universe. How come the article is in 'Businessinsider.com' and not in some reputable scientific journal? People have many crazy views, and there are many sites in internet where one can post whatever BS one can write.
Of course, I do not deny the last sentence, science has many more things to discover.
p.s.: Businessinsider seems to be an Indian web-site.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Nonsense, the state of non-duality is oneness. there is no logic and no non-logic, it is free from all concepts, all thoughts, all words, all maths. It is pure awareness, Christ Consciousness.

What do you mean by oneness? Does it include cockroaches, cactii or river pebbles? The real oneness will be when you do not make any distinction at all, not even of difference between God and humans, not even between Jesus and Putin. Is that what you mean by oneness?
Tell me more about your kind of oneness.
We do not make any kind of distinction in 'Advaita Hinduism'.

 

[shunyadragon]

That does not make sense, physical existence is not the totality of existence,

Science does not make thatclaim our physical existence is the limit of the objective evidence of science.

have you ever attained to the state of mind free from all thought, and if so, what was the experience?

My experience and belief beyond the above is subjective, and yes, I have practiced meditations and Arts of the Way, for may years, including nine years in China. I have had many mini satori, and some awareness of the possible universal nature of the universe, but in all humility considering many different fallible human claims of the nature of our existence beyond physical my greatest awakening eas the I could possibly if not likey be wrong about everything I believed. I do believe in a universal oneness beyond anything I personally could believe

Nonetheless, you have included in your argument with the narrow ancient religious claims of Christianity one of many contradictory claims of belief and or enlightenment. As far as any consideration of what may be the universal beyond the physical or whatever, this to me is very, very , very unlikely.

 

[Andrew Stephen]

From One Father with Two Names with Two Son's and brothers to each by the Father and cousins to all through Two different mothers, we from the One God and Father through The One Son and One Mother become One again, brothers and sisters for all.​

Peace to all,

Some are searching for perhaps:
"the possible universal nature of the universe with many different fallible human claims of the nature of our existence beyond physical"

Some are seeking oneness and see "The oneness as will be when you do not make any distinction at all, not even of difference between God and humans, Some ask, Is that what you mean by oneness?" When some say “the state of non-duality is oneness." "there is no logic and no non-logic, it is free from all concepts, all thoughts, all words, all maths. It is pure awareness, Christ Consciousness."

Some claim As far as any consideration of what may be "the universal beyond the physical or whatever, this to some is very, very , very unlikely."

Thanks for the above great information from all, in thoughts of existence and through the spirits of all.

And we know to judge only ourselves and not others.

To me the rationale follows the pattern that can be seen, perhaps, From the power of the Spirit and God for all mankind to become again, united as one in being together through the One Son and God from One Father and God for all mankind united in the One God in being for the Love of The One Mother

To me rationality, The New Creation becomes:

Rationally, to me, The intelligence of creation is the unfailing spirits of the three spirit persons, one in creation and one in becoming and one in becoming again, One of Creation, and One of Immortalization and glorification and One of transfiguration fulfilled through the "One" God in Being of Fulfilled Creation in becoming together.

We know, in History, from Abram, Hagar, Ishmael becomes Islam, and Muhammad speaks of The One God of the Father and also
And we know, from History, from Abraham, Sarah and Isaac, becomes Christianity by Judaism, for Jews have founded Christianity and had an indirect influence on Islam. And through the Exodus, we become again for The One God of The One Father.

To me in rationale and through Faith, Ishmael and Isaac are brothers through through the One Father in two names, Abraham and Abram and cousins to all mankind through two different mothers, Sarah and Hagar. With One Father it two names, Abraham and Abram and different Mothers, Sarah and Hagar, they are cousins to all mankind in Faith and Blood through the Old Covenant Living Sacrifice of Animals. The rationality follows to me, in And through the one God and Father we become one in being together through the One Son, Jesus for the Father by the Christ with a new and only one mother, Mary becoming brothers and sisters from the New Living Sacrifice through The One God's only Son from the spirit through the flesh for the souls of all mankind, and all over the world, together, from the power of the One Holy Spirit and God for all mankind to become again, united as one in being together through the One Son, The Christ is the New Temple and the New Living Sacrifice that transforms and glorifies and transfigures all mankind from the One God and One Father for all united in the One God in being from the One Love fulfilled eternal through The One Mother.

The rationale of The Three-in-One God, follows to me: And Each God are separate in Person and equal in Power and are The Person of The Father, Creator of mankind, all life and holiness and The Person of The Son, Transformer of all mankind created from corrupt and mortal becoming into immortality and incorruptiblity and The Person of the Holy Spirit, becoming again in all mankind for glorification and transfiguration, from the spirit through the flesh for the soul of the being, uniting all mankind as Son's of God, and together the Three Divine Person's are One God in being for the created and becoming, from, through the One Son conceived from the Power of The One Spirit for the One Father all of The One God in Being for The Fulfilled Love through The One Mother.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What do you mean by oneness? Does it include cockroaches, cactii or river pebbles? The real oneness will be when you do not make any distinction at all, not even of difference between God and humans, not even between Jesus and Putin. Is that what you mean by oneness?
Tell me more about your kind of oneness.
We do not make any kind of distinction in 'Advaita Hinduism'.

Oneness is non-dual, is cannot be conveyed conceptually, if you want to know what it means, then you will need to give up duality.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Science does not make thatclaim our physical existence is the limit of the objective evidence of science.

My experience and belief beyond the above is subjective, and yes, I have practiced meditations and Arts of the Way, for may years, including nine years in China. I have had many mini satori, and some awareness of the possible universal nature of the universe, but in all humility considering many different fallible human claims of the nature of our existence beyond physical my greatest awakening eas the I could possibly if not likey be wrong about everything I believed. I do believe in a universal oneness beyond anything I personally could believe

Nonetheless, you have included in your argument with the narrow ancient religious claims of Christianity one of many contradictory claims of belief and or enlightenment. As far as any consideration of what may be the universal beyond the physical or whatever, this to me is very, very , very unlikely.

Ok.

Impressive.

Oneness is taught in all religions I know, Taoism, Buddhism, Christianity, Sanatan Dharma, I don't know why you think Christianity should not be included?

 

[Andrew Stephen]

Peace to all,

Like:, Some say, "Oneness is taught in all religions I know, Taoism, Buddhism, Christianity, Sanatan Dharma, I don't know why one would think Christianity should not be included?" ben d

To me in all rationale, what is common to all spirit based faiths is the common spirit Becoming fulfilled through creation and transformed and becoming again glorified and transfigured and united One in Being.

To me the rationality is from the real intelligence, through and for, all as One.

Sometimes, I ask, what in the Intelligence of creation makes it pure? To me rationally, it follows, from, through and for all becoming again, united as One In Being and it must be the from the manifestation of the eternal intelligent spirit awareness through the flesh for the souls of all mankind in being united and is what would Jesus do in all cases of the fulfilled faith and morality, of Old Covenant Laws, Manna from teh desert abd the rod of Aaron, the staff that budded and Animal Sacrifice, returning souls only to the Bosom of Abraham, becoming the New Exodus fulfilled from the New Covenant Laws through the New Covenant New Living Sacrifice of The Son of God, Jesus making all mankind brothers and sisters and Son's of God in The New Commandment to Love only from the New Spirit Authority of all spirit and life on earth and out of the Bosom of Abraham for all awaiting from the first death, through the death and resurrection of the Christ, the "Firstborn" of all creation from through and for all as it is in The New Heaven through the flesh for the souls of all mankind united as one in being from the Divine “Holy” Spirit through the Son for The Father becoming for all the Fulfilled Love for The One Mother.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[Aupmanyav]

Oneness is non-dual, is cannot be conveyed conceptually, if you want to know what it means, then you will need to give up duality.

I have already done that. 'Advait Hinduism' does not believe in duality. It is you who are talking of Gods and sons.