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Yeah I'm with the crowd that says I'll believe it when I see it." Scientific proof"
Sigh.
I wouldn't discourage people from trying though.
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Yeah I'm with the crowd that says I'll believe it when I see it." Scientific proof"
Sigh.
Surprise, you do not yet understand that non-local consciouness is real.No, it remains an unverifiable "belief".
I'm not certain it would change much of anything. If the entire human population represented a single brain synapse, belonging to the much larger mind, which is how I view it anyway, then thought is transferred from one catalogue or point of transfer and reception to another. How we process the signals as biological organisms depends on processing ability. I'm sure some people are better at this than others. It's confusing to think about, knowing you never really know where a thought may have originated. We typically know ourselves well enough to know our own mind and spirit.Too many threads are rehashes of what people believe or don't believe in opposition to each other. My question is whether the CIA report constitutes enough evidence for people to consider changing their minds.
The article title is not very descriptive. To avoid TL;DR, focus on the CIA review and hopefully read it. What he said "CIA program" is not correct, but what the CIA was involved with was deciding whether or not there was something real and if it was of use to gather intelligence. The report itself is to me a classic example of what is needed when examining findings such as they did. The key finding is:
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The detail: He started with this perspective:
I always came back to the same conclusion. Humans could rationalize that life is meaningful to us, but in the grand scheme of things, there was no meaning. The people who told themselves there were just comforting themselves, I thought. I believed science was moving us beyond religion and superstitions about life after death.
But then: Scientific proof convinced me that psychic phenomena is real
I looked at documents from a CIA program where people were asked to send their thoughts — using just their minds — to others. The program concluded that there was a "statistically significant" success in doing this.
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I've come to believe in non-local consciousness, or consciousness that originates outside our physical bodies and outside our brains. To me, this is the most scientifically sound explanation.
I often think about what skeptics would say. I used to be one of them. There's a tendency to try to push aside anomalies that don't fit into our understanding of the world, just the way I did with anecdotes about the unexplainable.
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I believe there is something spiritual in the universe, beyond our typical senses. I don't choose to believe that because it's comforting, but because that's where the scientific evidence has pointed me.
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But one thing I feel certain about is that there's more for science to discover.
Being real would constitute objective verifiable evidence to support non-local consciousness. There is at present insufficient evidence to support non-local consciousness. I believe in the natural evolution of consciousness in the animal kingdom from the time the first evolved central nervous system had consciousness.Surprise, you do not yet understand that non-local consciouness is real.
That is what was stated, you do not yet understand, and that's ok, like puberty, it comes naturally in due course.Being real would constitute objective verifiable evidence to support non-local consciousness. There is at present insufficient evidence to support non-local consciousness. I believe in the natural evolution of consciousness in the animal kingdom from the time the first evolved central nervous system had consciousness.
As far as my religious perspective I believe in a 'Source' some call Gods, Some define God in terms of anthropomorphic consciousness I do not.
Insults get you nowhere. I believe that consciousness is a physical proper of animals with a central nervous system. Relationships between conscious humans and animals and our physical world is simply the nature and evolution of consciousness,. I believe 'Non-Local Realism' explains the relationship between animals with consciousness and the physical environment and relationships between and within the physical environment..That is what was stated, you do not yet understand, and that's ok, like puberty, it comes naturally in due course.
That's ok, you are not alone, it is a faculty that is yet undeveloped in you.Insults get you nowhere. I believe that consciousness is a physical proper of animals with a central nervous system. Relationships between conscious humans and animals and our physical world is simply the nature and evolution of consciousness,. I believe 'Local Realism' explains the relationship between animals with consciousness and the physical environment.
Some objections to non-local consciousness include:
Superluminal signaling
- Many scientists believe that superluminal signaling, or faster-than-light signals, are not possible in practice. The "no-communication theorem" or "no-signaling principle" excludes superluminal signaling in principle and in practice.
- Local realism
The dominant worldview in mainstream science, called local realism, presents a partial picture of the universe. This framework can lead to oversimplified models and experiments that can't accurately describe complex physical systems.
it is a faculty that is yet undeveloped in you.?!?!?! Odd egocentric accusation without responding to the substance of the post.That's ok, you are not alone, it is a faculty that is yet undeveloped in you.
If science proves that non-local consciousness is real . . .
Also note: Science does not prove anything.
There is no substance to your post, you admit you are not spiritually aware, it follows logically that anything you say about is just 'noise'.it is a faculty that is yet undeveloped in you.?!?!?! Odd egocentric accusation without responding to the substance of the post.
Subjective assertions pseudo-science does not justify non-local consciousness, Your thread question considers a Big subjective IF scenario::
If science proves that non-local consciousness is real . . .
Also note: Science does not prove anything.
I read over this reference and found the conclusions completely cited reflects the intent of the evaluation of the previous research, which in general inconclusive and in the need for more research and issues of methodology. Some results were statistically significant but the results were unpredictable.I should have made the paper reference more obvious. https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00791R000200180005-5.pdf
There is no substance to your post, you admit you are not spiritually aware, it follows logically that anything you say about is just 'noise'.
So how do you think spiritual awareness works if not subjective?
It is subjective and that is problem with beliefs and not consistent claims as to who is spiritually aware. Personally I consider it an arrogant claim like many conflicting claims.As to your "If science proves that non-local consciousness is real....", I don't know but so far as I understand it, science can't prove objectively a subjective experience.
The CIA paper cited does not offer an explanation nor definitive conclusions. It simply analyzed the research objectively as to the methods, procedures and statistical methodsThere is a non-theistic possibility. It's been demonstrated that quantum non-locality exists. It's been theorized that quantum processes might be involved in consciousness. If that's true it's possible that non-local consciousness exists. From the perspective I'm using in this post, this needs to be proven to be accepted but if it's scientifically demonstrated then there's an explanation for the discussion in the CIA paper that I referred to in the OP..
Ahem, a subjective experience is not a belief, or do you imagine that when you experience say, a fright, you don't claim to have experienced a fright, but you say you have this belief that you experienced a fright.It is subjective and that is problem with beliefs and not consistent claims as to who is spiritually aware. Personally I consider it an arrogant claim like many conflicting claims.
At present I take the position of insufficient information to confirm your claims.
In the context of your posts you described spiritual awareness as the 'belief necessary for holding your view, The basis for Spiritual awareness is a religious belief by definition.Ahem, a subjective experience is not a belief, or do you imagine that when you experience say, a fright, you don't claim to have experienced a fright, but you say you have this belief that you experienced a fright.
You seem to have not only insufficient information, but also insufficient understanding of reality to confirm whether you have ever experienced a subjective experience, you can only confirm that you believe you have.
Please show where I described spiritual awareness as a belief. You have obviously not read many of my posts, I am forever explaining to whoever is interested in serious religious practice that reality is forever on the other side of conceptualization/belief. A belief, as with a concept, may be meant to represent reality, but it is not actually the reality, and never will be. To realize the religious state of non-duality, one must cease all thought, totally, then reality is actually present.In the context of your posts you described spiritual awareness as the 'belief necessary for holding your view, The basis for Spiritual awareness is a religious belief by definition.