If the Bible is so primitive, why can't Historians come up with their own Bible?

[TruePathFinder]

What are we pretending to be that we’re not?

You are pretending to be the holy people of the ot God. Only the Jews are the chosen people according to their fiction.

 

[TruePathFinder]

All documents are written. All mythic stories have their basis in something else. I have yet to see you prove that it’s “false.”

Your post has all the logical argumentative power of a 3-year-old: “NUH-UH!!”
Find a real argument and stop trolling up the bandwidth with your puerile nonsense.

It is false because it does not mesh with the ot. Different language and different religion.

 

[TruePathFinder]

I don't insult your argumenting power. Please don't insult mine.

 

[TruePathFinder]

I think Someone’s a little bitter

I think someone knows he or she has no defence and is part of a losing religion and then criticizes the oppositon rather than admit he or she is in the wrong.

 

[sojourner]

You are pretending to be the holy people of the ot God. Only the Jews are the chosen people according to their fiction.

Huh. If it’s “Fiction” what’s the dif? Sounds like you’re trying to provoke something. There are more healthful ways of dealing with issues.

 

[sojourner]

It is false because it does not mesh with the ot. Different language and different religion.

It is false because it does not mesh with the ot. Different language and different religion.

It’s not supposed to “mesh.” Why would Greeks write in Hebrew?

 

[sojourner]

I think someone knows he or she has no defence and is part of a losing religion and then criticizes the oppositon rather than admit he or she is in the wrong.

You’ve presented no real argument that warrants a defense. Everything you’ve said thus far is straw man nonsense. Bad arguments warrant criticism. Deal with it.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

The closest Philosopher who attempted to write a Bible is Nietzsche with his Thus Spake Zarathustra. Good luck living by it.

But since the Bible was written hundreds of thousands of years ago, no one ancient or modern has ever been able to duplicate the interaction of History, Art, Literature, Religion and Spirituality like the Bible. Well, we can be honest and look to Herodotus The Histories or Maybe Thucydides the Pelopenesian War, but really having read them in college neither gets close. Nietzche was the closest in his cynical way.

So, why can't Atheists, Scientists and Historians write a History Book like the Bible? You may write, "because the Bible is untrue," well wouldn't it make sense, if that is your argument, to turn recorded events into teachable moments? There is nothing a Historian ever written that is as universal and insightful as the Bible.

So, discuss. Atheists, where are your great minds that they cannot achieve such a simple goal? (sarcasm and irony noted)

Sounds like a commonly held belief about various religious tomes...

 

[blü 2]

Does anyone say the bible is "primitive"? I have never seen it so described. Ancient, yes. But "primitive"?

The most primitive part of the bible is the Bronze Age morality, a lot of which is set out in the Torah: invasive war to grab land, owning slaves and the rules for bonking them, authorized massacres and mass rapes, human sacrifice, it's all in the book, and it's all primitive. The idea of human sacrifice is also the foundation of the NT, though the explanations are various, the obvious one of God making a blood sacrifice to [him]self to appease [him]self making no sense to the unprimitive mind, and various unsuccessful attempts at other rationalizations.

Does anyone describe Homer as "primitive"? Not really. The Iliad and Odyssey are thought great texts of European civilization, are they not?

Yes, they were the books chosen by the old Greeks as, in effect, the founding documents of their civilization. But the Iliad, with its endless intense murderous combats endlessly glorified, is primitive in a way the Odyssey, with its more subtle sense of narrative and its much more diverse subject matter, is not (and for slaughter, compare the tellings in the Iliad to Odysseus' homecoming, primitive too but different art). The Iliad also gives a more direct and interventionist role to the gods too, which is not to say they're absent from the Odyssey.

Easily the most readable translations of them are the ones by (Prof) Robert Fagles.

(The nearest I can think of is Tolkien possibly writing his - rather tedious - Lord of the Rings as a sort of emulation of Beowulf and similar epic narratives. But he wasn't a historian and he was just playing around really.)

The Lord of the Rings is the first important Total War Good v Evil novel, and its psychological underpinnings are WW1, in which Tolkien fought, the rise of Hitler and WW2, where he served in the codes section. Except for his occasional tendency to topple into KJV English, it's a well-structured, well-told ripping yarn. (Harry Potter is its principal British descendant.)

And Beowulf, while deeply fascinating to linguists and historians, and despite all the gore, fighting and slaughter, actually has rather long boring bits. Seamus Heaney did a famous translation that can't avoid this, but I much prefer (Prof) Ben Slade's free one >on the net< ─ because he's making a closely literal translation, he captures more of the energy, the sheer banging, of the verse, than any other I know.

 

[viole]

The closest Philosopher who attempted to write a Bible is Nietzsche with his Thus Spake Zarathustra. Good luck living by it.

Do you think that living by stoning children is easier?

Ciao

- viole

 

[exchemist]

Do you think that living by stoning children is easier?

Ciao

- viole

Ciao.

 

[viole]

Ciao.

Ciao my dear friend.

Ciao

- viole

 

[David1967]

But since the Bible was written hundreds of thousands of years ago

I'm no atheist, but the Bible is a collection of books written by various people over the last few thousand years. How do you come up with "hundreds of thousands of years"? Unless of course your just kidding around, and in that case,,never mind.
And welcome to RF BTW.

 

[sojourner]

You are pretending to be the holy people of the ot God. Only the Jews are the chosen people according to their fiction.

No. Not the group with which I identify. Argument fails.

 

[sojourner]

It is false because it does not mesh with the ot. Different language and different religion.

It’s not meant to mesh. That’s a straw man you’re imposing on the texts.

 

[sojourner]

I don't insult your argumenting power. Please don't insult mine.

“Argumenting?” You’ve sunk your own ship. It’s not an insult when you insist on shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[sojourner]

I think someone knows he or she has no defence and is part of a losing religion and then criticizes the oppositon rather than admit he or she is in the wrong.

One needs no defense against a non-argument.