If the Bible is so primitive, why can't Historians come up with their own Bible?

[Subduction Zone]

Have a good day. Bye.

And another theist is exposed.

Why are theists so afraid to debate honestly? It is almost as if they know that they are wrong.

 

[TruePathFinder]

A Christian bible is a Jewish religious book with questionable writings by impostors stuck on its back. Christians shouldn't claim the Christian bible is a coherent document. Just like the book of Mormon the New Testament makes false claims.

 

[QuestioningMind]

The closest Philosopher who attempted to write a Bible is Nietzsche with his Thus Spake Zarathustra. Good luck living by it.

But since the Bible was written hundreds of thousands of years ago, no one ancient or modern has ever been able to duplicate the interaction of History, Art, Literature, Religion and Spirituality like the Bible. Well, we can be honest and look to Herodotus The Histories or Maybe Thucydides the Pelopenesian War, but really having read them in college neither gets close. Nietzche was the closest in his cynical way.

So, why can't Atheists, Scientists and Historians write a History Book like the Bible? You may write, "because the Bible is untrue," well wouldn't it make sense, if that is your argument, to turn recorded events into teachable moments? There is nothing a Historian ever written that is as universal and insightful as the Bible.

So, discuss. Atheists, where are your great minds that they cannot achieve such a simple goal? (sarcasm and irony noted)

Why would any historian want to write a mish-mash of largely incomprehensible myths like the bible? And if they did, why would they possibly take credit for it?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

This is a great thread you created here - very informative.
The Bible is by far the most widely used, distributed, translated, and sold book in the world.
According to Guinness World Records, the Bible is the best-selling book of all time

Only, if by "sell" you mean "purchased in bulk, to be given away gratis, or instead of actual food to indigent peoples, or placed in pews where it's seldom read, or placed on coffee tables to brag about, or placed in cheap motel nightstands never to be touched again", then ... well, no, not even then. The criteria used is too sloppy to be honest.

So no.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Oh, and you have Bob the Unbeliever to thank for this.

You are welcome!

 

[sojourner]

A Christian bible is a Jewish religious book with questionable writings by impostors stuck on its back. Christians shouldn't claim the Christian bible is a coherent document. Just like the book of Mormon the New Testament makes false claims.

Untrue. First of all, the Bible isnt a book. Second, in what way are the writings “questionable?” They seem just as much writings as any other writing. Third, which writers are “imposters?” Imposters of what, exactly? Who sets that standard for authenticity? Fourth, not all Christians make that claim of coherency; usually just the literalists. Fifth, what claims does the NT make that are “false?”

 

[Etritonakin]

Interpreting the texts as futuristic references to UFOs or other advanced technology(?) is indeed highly speculative and unreal.

Advanced technology -compared to human technology in existence at the time -not only the working/construction of the wheels, but their being controlled by the spirit of the living creatures -is specified. I mean futuristic inasmuch as those sorts of things are often thought of as futuristic -could not be accomplished by men then -but possibly in the future, etc.
Futuristic -"having or involving very modern technology or design" -could certainly describe Ezekiel's wheels from his perspective.

15Now as I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, one for each of the four of them.d 16As for the appearance of the wheels and their construction: their appearance was like the gleaming of beryl. And the four had the same likeness, their appearance and construction being as it were a wheel within a wheel. 17When they went, they went in any of their four directionsewithout turning as they went. 18And their rims were tall and awesome, and the rims of all four were full of eyes all around. 19And when the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures rose from the earth, the wheels rose.20Wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, and the wheels rose along with them, for the spirit of the living creaturesf was in the wheels. 21When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those rose from the earth, the wheels rose along with them, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.

 

[Kartari]

?!?

@Sunstone, are you writing joke posts under an alias now?

 

[Justme1981]

Your personal opinion is just that, personal.

And of course you are still hypocritically claiming "What do scientists do? Absolutely nothing." While using the benefits of science to make the claim.
Without thousands of people like Hawking you would have no computer, no cell phone, no internet. You would have no medical imagery, cancers would still be as untreatable as 50, 100, 2500 years ago. Genetic science has saved the lives of at least one billion people. How many bibles does it take to save a billion lives?

Ask your god believing engineering friends just how much of their work was invented by science, depends on science for success? Im sure as god believers they would be honest with you.

Go on, just ask, you may actually learn something... But remember, its difficult for a deliberately closed mind to absorb knowledge.

My engineering friends and I talk about this. The Science used in Engineering is not the Science used in Academia. If you have a ground breaking idea would you rather 1) put it in a journal and give it away to the world 2) keep it a trade secret, sell it to the engineers and make a lot of money.

A lot of people think Academic Science like Hawking gives us stuff. I don't know of one thing Hawking and Sagan did at NASA, Boeing, Raythoen, Northrop Gruman that made a difference to the world. Sure, he was a disabled guy and we all feel sorry for him but let's be intellectually honest if he wasn't disabled would we still know about him.

So, you can quote all that peer review nonsense, and some people on here might give you a little trophy, but in all honesty any and all engineering that is doing ground breaking stuff is based on trade secrets kept hidden to sell and control the market.

Like they say those who can't teach, the scientists who can are engineers the rest are writing about the end of the universe just projecting their fears on others getting applause from a small compendium of people who peer review.

 

[Justme1981]

I don't think that's a very fair generalization. You wanna go that route, I can say that I see more atheists created by Christians each and every day, through their actions, through their hubris, through their ignorance and denial and/or bashing of science (hint hint hint.)
And of course the Bible would say that, wouldn't it. Eh.

I'm not going to respond to everything you wrote. I'll just respond to this. You salvation is not my responsibility. If simple minded people deter you from greater truths then, yes, you deserve to go to Hell. There are simple minded people everywhere even in the Academic Sciences.

The point that should be known is, "your salvation is not my responsibility."

 

[Justme1981]

Salam, Salam now you are genius. You got your little award now let's have a discussion.

 

[Justme1981]

?!?

@Sunstone, are you writing joke posts under an alias now?

Are you capable of discussion?

 

[ChristineM]

My engineering friends and I talk about this. The Science used in Engineering is not the Science used in Academia. If you have a ground breaking idea would you rather 1) put it in a journal and give it away to the world 2) keep it a trade secret, sell it to the engineers and make a lot of money.

A lot of people think Academic Science like Hawking gives us stuff. I don't know of one thing Hawking and Sagan did at NASA, Boeing, Raythoen, Northrop Gruman that made a difference to the world. Sure, he was a disabled guy and we all feel sorry for him but let's be intellectually honest if he wasn't disabled would we still know about him.

So, you can quote all that peer review nonsense, and some people on here might give you a little trophy, but in all honesty any and all engineering that is doing ground breaking stuff is based on trade secrets kept hidden to sell and control the market.

Like they say those who can't teach, the scientists who can are engineers the rest are writing about the end of the universe just projecting their fears on others getting applause from a small compendium of people who peer review.

You seem to be very confused... Where do you think the ideas for engineering come from? Science invents and develops a process in a laboratory, engineers implement it, it is a two stage process. Quantum mechanics discovered and developed the semiconductor. Engineers built the computer and cell phone using semiconductors. Particle physicists discovered and developed the magnetic imaging effect, engineers build the MRI scanner. If you buddies deny that then it's doubtful they will work in engineering but i believe MacDonald's hire failed students.

Hawking was very influential in helping the understanding of our universe and how it works, which of course is why you hate him so much, he helped destroy god magic.

Must be terrible for you to be so frightened of the future you have to hide behind ignorance.

 

[ChristineM]

I'm not going to respond to everything you wrote. I'll just respond to this. You salvation is not my responsibility. If simple minded people deter you from greater truths then, yes, you deserve to go to Hell. There are simple minded people everywhere even in the Academic Sciences.

The point that should be known is, "your salvation is not my responsibility."

But you decide who deserves to go to hell but its not your responsibility?

 

[Justme1981]

You seem to be very confused... Where do you think the ideas for engineering come from? Science invents and develops a process in a laboratory, engineers implement it, it is a two stage process. If you buddies deny that then it's doubtful they will work in engineering but i believe MacDonald's hire failed students. Quantum mechanics discovered and developed the semiconductor. Engineers built the computer and cell phone using semiconductors.

Hawking was very influential in helping the understanding of our universe and how it works, which of course is why you hate hum so much, he helped destroy god magic.

Must be terrible for you to be so frightened of the future you have to hide behind ignorance.

No, don't believe the hype he is special only because people who don't want God Magic got their shill in a disabled guy who out of his disability hated God. If he affirmed God in his work, you would never hear from this guy and he would not be revered.

 

[Justme1981]

But you decide who deserves to go to hell but its not your responsibility?

No, Hell is for everyone and it's not my responsibility to "Save" anyone. I'm a Catholic not an Evangelical. I prefer if our religion was smaller, not bigger, with no Converts like Judaism.

 

[Justme1981]

But you decide who deserves to go to hell but its not your responsibility?

Please, forgive me, great discussion by the way. Thank you for the discussion.

 

[SomeRandom]

I'm not going to respond to everything you wrote. I'll just respond to this. You salvation is not my responsibility. If simple minded people deter you from greater truths then, yes, you deserve to go to Hell. There are simple minded people everywhere even in the Academic Sciences.

The point that should be known is, "your salvation is not my responsibility."

Wow really seeing the Christian love and the teachings of Jesus through your post about how I deserve eternal hell fire for....disagreeing with you? Not being a Chrstian? Actually why do I deserve to suffer an eternity of hell exactly? I never said anything about believing or not believing anything based on the assumed simplicity of people. I merely countered your claims trying to position a text as advanced when it's not. Ain't nothing wrong with a simple text though. Never claimed such a thing.
But see this is what I was referring to when I said that I tend to see people become Athiests because of the actions of certain Christians. The hubris and just how easy it is for some (not all) to declare that a stranger, who's life and own suffering you don't know a lick about, deserves eternal damnation and torture. It can come across as rather callous and sociopathic. Just offering a perspective here.
And please correct me if I'm wrong here, even the Pope doesn't seem to consider Hell to be an actual literal place. At least based on what he's stated to the public as of late. So the threats of hellfire I seem to encounter are even less impressive than they were before. I dunno, I just never gelled well with the Abrahamic notion of emotionally blackmailing people into believing in the Lord Jesus.

 

[ChristineM]

No, don't believe the hype he is special only because people who don't want God Magic got their shill in a disabled guy who out of his disability hated God. If he affirmed God in his work, you would never hear from this guy and he would not be revered.

Your deliberate ignorance is not my proiblem

 

[ChristineM]

No, Hell is for everyone and it's not my responsibility to "Save" anyone. I'm a Catholic not an Evangelical. I prefer if our religion was smaller, not bigger, with no Converts like Judaism.

Your image of hell is the result of the painting of Hieronymus Bosch and writings of Dante Alighieri in the 14th century. Good to know you base your torture of those you don't like on popular art and a comedy

Id prefer religion to be open and honest