Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Whoa! Why the change of topic? But yes, our world of today is more moral than the immoral beliefs of say 1700 Christians. There is no doubt about that.
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Easy. It happens today. You are trying to use a No True Scotsman fallacy.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
How can you know that? You we4e alive in 1700? Sound like a True scotchman to me..
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Please, if you don't understand logical fallacies do not use them.
But here is an easy question: Is slavery moral or not?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Today slavery are seen imoral, and yes its not a right thing to force others.
1700 was different
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
But to be a Christian means accepting the loss and taking the wrong. And never hating your brother.
So it's back to DEFINITIONS.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
1770 it might have been moral to some. Not all. It wasn't accepted like it was say in Greece or Rome.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Then it appears that you are claiming that Christianity is an immoral religion. I am pretty sure that not every Christian agrees with you on what is immoral and what is not.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yes, but slavery is endorsed in the Bible. That is one of the reasons that it lasted as long as it did. And of course there was quite a bit of other immoral behavior back then That we did not have the level of technology then that we have today and things would have been more difficult might work for atheists. They do not work for theists. For example, going back to the slavery issue, God could have said as one of the early Commandments instead of demanding so much worship of him: "Thou shalt not own another person as a piece of property, people are not possessions. This includes your children too. No more selling your daughters into sex slavery". Done If his people were threatened by those that did enslave others he could always have protected them instead of urging them to take others into slavery if they did not commit genocide. Oops, there goes another Commandment that should have been in the Bible.
I don't see an adulterous and drug addled world, perhaps because i am not a Christian living in the bible belt.
So in my view... yes, i see a world that is leaving the dogma, bigotry and fear imposed by religion behind
It must be easy, it happens all the time
No, irs back to people
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Well if you 'threaten' others then you AREN'T a Christian. There are well defined boundaries to being a Christian.
You could be a FAILED Christian, but if so then you would have to mend the fences.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
I see an adulterous and drug addled world, not to mention mainstreaming of gambling, pornography and even the rise
of industrial scale child pornography.
Back in the days when some people held slaves in our 'Christian' world there were Christians who fought that - slavery
wasn't universal ---- just like child porn isn't universal.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
There's no contest. The EXAMPLE of Christ in the Gospels is undeniable. If you hate your brother then you violate the example.
Some find a verse, or take something out of context, or mistranslate, or 'modernize' the text to justify hating their brother. But it
doesn't work. Truth is absolute.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, you are a none as for religion. So am I, yet we don't agree on truth.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Truth for a Christian is simply the example of Christ.
Love, grace, humility, servitude, obedience, honesty, ministry, forgiveness.... these are absolute.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, because they are different even to Christians. And one Christian's absolute is another Christian's relative.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
You need to give an example of this. How I read this it sounds wrong....
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, I can take my friends as a Christian and compare with someone here on this forum. My friend's stance on abortion is a case of relativism, it depends on several different aspects and is in part up to the woman, where as that is an absolute to at least one Christian here.