If there was universe before big bang

[ChristineM]

My understanding is that God created our universe, so God may be infinite

If there were falsifiable evidence a god or gods existed them you could have a point, however there is none so my understanding isn't

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The definition of God includes his eternal existence, so if there is a God he was not created.

In order for anything to exist something must be eternal.

And the definition of Mikkel_the_Dane is that he is greater than God and triumph God because the definition says so.
Words are not magical, not even religious words.

Believe all you like. I accept that, but stop using words as a means to win these debates. My words are better than yours by definition. I win.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

An innate matter makes more sense to me.

Neutral monism makes more sense to me.

 

[Spirit of Light]

If there were falsifiable evidence a god or gods existed them you could have a point, however there is none so my understanding isn't

I only speak of my personal belief, what you or others believe or disbelieve is not something I can speak about

 

[ChristineM]

I only speak of my personal belief, what you or others believe or disbelieve is not something I can speak about

This i know and it's a great attitude.

 

[Subduction Zone]

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The definition of God includes his eternal existence, so if there is a God he was not created.

In order for anything to exist something must be eternal.

The definition of Cosmos includes its eternal existence, so if it exist it was not created.

Ooh, I like that logic!

 

[KW]

There is no standard definition of god, or more precisely there are as many definitions as there are god believers

So it's ok for your god to be eternal but not for anything else. So... Where did god exist before there was anything to exist in?

Something must be eternal in order for anything to exist.

I call it God.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Something must be eternal in order for anything to exist.

I call it God.

We don't know that.

 

[KW]

An innate matter makes more sense to me.

That's understandable.

In my opinion it is more likely that sentient beings came from a sentient source.

 

[KW]

We don't know that.

I think we can know that.

Under what circumstances can nothing become something?

 

[KW]

The definition of Cosmos includes its eternal existence, so if it exist it was not created.

Ooh, I like that logic!

You can call it God or Cosmos.

 

[KW]

Why? It bares no relation to what most people consider a god

Have you read Thomas Aquinas's proofs for God?

It most definitely does bare a strong relationship to what most people consider God.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I think we can know that.

Under what circumstances can nothing become something?

We don't know, because we can't observe it. You are doing philosophical rationalism in your mind. Your thinking won't decide that one way or another.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Have you read Thomas Aquinas's proofs for God?

It most definitely does bare a strong relationship to what most people consider God.

Except they don't hold up because they are thinking in a mind, unless he is God.

 

[KW]

We don't know, because we can't observe it. You are doing philosophical rationalism in your mind. Your thinking won't decide that one way or another.

Give an an explanation for something coming into existence from nothing.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Give an an explanation for something coming into existence from nothing.

It doesn't matter because it is not the fact. It is thoughts in a brain. Read some basic philosophy and learn how rationalism doesn't work in this case.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You can call it God or Cosmos.

Then you are saying that God appears to have no consciousness or purpose. That is fine with me.

 

[KW]

Except they don't hold up because they are thinking in a mind, unless he is God.

I believe they do hold up but that wasn't the point I was making.

My point was that the traditional definition of God includes his eternal existence. The personal qualities assigned to God are in addition to these other qualities.

 

[ChristineM]

Something must be eternal in order for anything to exist.

I call it God.

Call it whatever you want.

However that is not necessarily true. There are hypothesis that nothing existed before the bb.

And thats the thing, pre bb everything is just a guess.

Some guesses are based on extrapolation from known physical phenomena some on mathematics and there are some guesses based on wishful thinking

 

[KW]

It doesn't matter because it is not the fact. It is thoughts in a brain. Read some basic philosophy and learn how rationalism doesn't work in this case.

It doesn't work for you because you can't get the conclusion you want from rational thought.