If there was universe before big bang

[sun rise]

There had to be a beginning to the first universe in the series.

You assume time is real. A few physicists are challenging that notion but most see time as real. But even then, it's more complicated than that with laws of physics that "evolve over time"

Another complication in the understanding of time is demonstrated by Lee Smolin's 2013 book "Time Reborn: From the Crisis in Physics to the Future of the Universe," in which he argues that science does (as the mystics claim) treat time as an illusion. Instead, he thinks that we should treat time as a fundamentally real quantity and, if we take it seriously as such, we will uncover laws of physics that evolve over time. It remains to be seen if this appeal will actually result in new insights into the foundations of physics. Does Time Really Exist? A Physicist's Perspective

 

[Kfox]

What if our universe was not the first one, but just one of many universes that has existed?

How would it affect your religious beliefs?

Would a string of universes be yet an other reason for people to not believe in a God or gods?

If the Universe is all that exist, how can there be more than one? Wouldn't it just be the same Universe changing forms?

 

[Spirit of Light]

If the Universe is all that exist, how can there be more than one? Wouldn't it just be the same Universe changing forms?

I do not know

 

[ChristineM]

If the Universe is all that exist, how can there be more than one? Wouldn't it just be the same Universe changing forms?

I think the name universe was coined long before the idea of a multiverse.

 

[Ponder This]

What if our universe was not the first one, but just one of many universes that has existed?

How would it affect your religious beliefs?

Would a string of universes be yet an other reason for people to not believe in a God or gods?

A claim is not a basis upon which to alter my beliefs.

The means of arriving at a conclusion is more important.

Who is making the claim and why? How was the conclusion arrived at?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I respect that, any living person who tells you about life after death is a liar for they are not dead

Well that's not entirely true.

You were effectively dead before you were born.

 

[Kfox]

I think the name universe was coined long before the idea of a multiverse.

Which means what they call Multiverse, would be just various sections of the one Universe.

 

[Kfox]

Well that's not entirely true.

You were effectively dead before you were born.

How could something that doesn't exist be dead?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How could something that doesn't exist be dead?

Because it ain't alive.

 

[Truthseeker]

That is basically one Kabbalistic view of the universe. Cyclical universes. This is the seventh
iteration, hence the significance of seven. Maybe the eighth one will get it right.

There is one mystical Baha'i who goes by the name Zoharo, in honor of a foundational text used by Kabbalists. He doesn't come here, but I have seen him on Baha'i forums. I met him in person once, and he seemed so different in person. He waxes so mystical in terms that is hard for me to understand in forums.

 

[Truthseeker]

It would seriously affect my belief as I, according to the numerous ancient cultural Myths of Creation, have the Universe to be eternal and infinite with an ongoing eternal process of formation, dissolution and re-formation in this Universe.

Sounds like the same thing to me. Puzzled.

 

[Truthseeker]

You assume time is real. A few physicists are challenging that notion but most see time as real. But even then, it's more complicated than that with laws of physics that "evolve over time"

Another complication in the understanding of time is demonstrated by Lee Smolin's 2013 book "Time Reborn: From the Crisis in Physics to the Future of the Universe," in which he argues that science does (as the mystics claim) treat time as an illusion. Instead, he thinks that we should treat time as a fundamentally real quantity and, if we take it seriously as such, we will uncover laws of physics that evolve over time. It remains to be seen if this appeal will actually result in new insights into the foundations of physics. Does Time Really Exist? A Physicist's Perspective

Didn't know you were informed about physics to that extent especially. I've taken several courses in physics in the University, and have an abiding interest in Physics. Einstein's theory of special relativity said that time varies according to the speed of the observer and in general relativity, varies according to gravity.

 

[Truthseeker]

If the Universe is all that exist, how can there be more than one? Wouldn't it just be the same Universe changing forms?

Depends on how you define "universe". I define the universe as the current universe, and there's another term "creation" as all that's exist.

 

[rational experiences]

What if a humans mind by burnt fallout gas hot water said comet meteor asteroid I was brain prickled advised. Position life thin KING.

I said our understanding universe was changed by our owned suns big bang.

As our system is in a variant space position and pressure? Affected cooling masses differently. As pressure does vary.

Looks at other universes like ours. Says they own lots more O God planet bodies. Hence our understanding universe had suffered planetary by about one third God planets exploded scattered.

By our suns own big bang blasting the only subject you were aware of.

As the human who chose then investigated space comparisons to prove he already knew!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Depends on how you define "universe". I define the universe as the current universe, and there's another term "creation" as all that's exist.

"Creation" is a loaded term. It implies a "creator". That is something that no theist has been able to support. A better more neutral term is "Cosmos". It still could have been created or it could be natural. The term is neutral.

 

[Truthseeker]

"Creation" is a loaded term. It implies a "creator". That is something that no theist has been able to support. A better more neutral term is "Cosmos". It still could have been created or it could be natural. The term is neutral.

Okay, Cosmos.

 

[rational experiences]

Didn't know you were informed about physics to that extent especially. I've taken several courses in physics in the University, and have an abiding interest in Physics. Einstein's theory of special relativity said that time varies according to the speed of the observer and in general relativity, varies according to gravity.

The observer a human mind varies as it was changed as a chemical thinker by out of space speeding bodies.

That arrived on earth.

As a human observer isn't speeding.

A warning in our psyche.

Father said one was sciences teaching ....do not disassociate any kind from its existing purpose.

As you don't own space or the sun why a planet or its heavens existed or why the moon was present.

Hence gravity a separation thesis was used to destroy life on earth.

Rationally

In a psychic reading Einstein's image voice man memory as his voice recording popped in and said he was wrong. I believe him.

You know the moment you're dying realising why you were wrong teaching.

NDE advice.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

What if our universe was not the first one, but just one of many universes that has existed?

How would it affect your religious beliefs?

Would a string of universes be yet an other reason for people to not believe in a God or gods?

In fact, in Bahai scriptures it is written, there was not a time, God was without creation. If we imagine a time, God had not created anything, it means God was not always creater, and that's not correct.

 

[Aupmanyav]

You were effectively dead before you were born.

Not true. What constituted you was part of the environment, part of 'what all exists'. What constitutes you was diffused in the whole. That is what will happen even when we are no more. There is no diminution or addition whatsoever to 'what all exists'.

To quote one of the most famous verses in Hindu scriptures:
"Purnam adah, purnam idam, purnat purnam udachyate,
purnasya purnam adaya, purnam eva vasishyate."
(Ishavasya is a small upanishad with just 18 verses. This is the invocatory verse)
https://www.swami-krishnananda.org/isavasya/Isavasya.Upanishad.for.Beginners.pdf

The invisible is the whole, the visible too is the whole. From the whole, the visible arises. The whole remains the same, even when the whole come out of it.
(The gist and not word by word translation, which is not much different either, given here for easier understanding)

I met him in person once, and he seemed so different in person. He waxes so mystical in terms that is hard for me to understand in forums.

That is right. The more mysteries one creates, the more the ignoramous are impressed by it.

In fact, in Bahai scriptures it is written, there was not a time, God was without creation. If we imagine a time, God had not created anything, it means God was not always creator, and that's not correct.

You are contradicting your own scriptures. Nice, it is good to be critical. I am impressed. Who told you that it is not correct? Did you have a communication from Allah? But again, no communication from Allah is projected before 800 years from now. So, basically, it is your own 'brain-wave'. I suppose, scriptures do not like this sort of things, making-up things on your own.

 

[sun rise]

Didn't know you were informed about physics to that extent especially. I've taken several courses in physics in the University, and have an abiding interest in Physics. Einstein's theory of special relativity said that time varies according to the speed of the observer and in general relativity, varies according to gravity.

When I was in chemistry grad school many decades ago, we used to get together with physics PhD students and argue and discuss new ideas of the day