You do realize that a great many other voters saw her as the greater evil?
Actually, I saw both as the enemy.
I just picked the least (IMO) worst.
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If Trump cannot provide evidence of Illegal Obama Wiretap?
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Actually, I saw both as the enemy.
I just picked the least (IMO) worst.
leibowde84
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Yeah, I can't get my mind around how anyone could possibly consider Hilary to be worse than Trump. His behavior as president thus far has confirmed that for me.
I can't say that Hilary is honest, but she's got nothing on Trump.
While you focus more upon behavior, I look at intentions & political record.
Having a bumbling boor in office doesn't bother me as much as a more socialistic hawk.
The difference between us is that I can understand both sides.
I don't think any foreign power should be influencing or meddling in our election or any other country's election. But as far as wikileaks or any other organization like that, I suppose they have the same rights of free speech and free press just like anyone else does in the Western world. It's up to the people as to whether they want to believe it or not.
That's what every election seems to be anyway - endless commercials, commentary, "fake news," mudslinging, scandal-mongering. People are bombarded with circulars, pamphlets, tons of junk mail, door-to-door campaigners - all with loads of (mis)information designed to influence people's votes.
Personally, I find it a bit annoying, but that's how we do things here in America. I truly wish people could be more skeptical and see through a lot of the pandering that goes on, but all of these tactics seem to work - and this is a serious weakness within our political system.
Any foreign government wanting to influence US politics would only need to funnel money to whichever party or organization would best suit their interests. But it's still an open field, and as I mentioned, people are free to believe however they want to believe. If they base their vote on whatever has influenced them in the open marketplace of ideas, then that's what we have.
But what I worry about is how vote counting has become more computerized. There was a special bond election some years ago here in my county, but there were some allegations that someone did something to the computer program to count all "yes" votes as "no," and vice versa. There was an investigation, and they did find that some strange irregularities came up. It was too late to do anything about the election itself, but it did show up some holes in the system.
I don't generally link to Fox News, but here it is: Judge Nap: Obama 'Went Outside Chain of Command,' Used British Spy Agency to Surveil Trump
leibowde84
Veteran Member
What worries me more about Trump is that his political strategy is based entirely on spite. I'll take a Democrat with socialist tendencies over that any day.
How did you feel about Bernie? He was a self proclaimed socialist. Did that bother you?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
This makes me think that Trump made the whole thing up even more. Now they are just reaching for a chance to claim that, even without evidence, it's still true. The Judge admitted that there won't be a way to prove it, a.k.a. no evidence. Yet Trump claimed it as "fact".
Trump needs to provide the evidence that convinced him so completely or apologize. But, he is a child in a fat man's suit, so that isn't very likely.
Our enemy, I see so you would have only been mad Russia meddling if it was to bolster Hillary as you have bigger gripes with deomcrats picking Hillary. Got it.
Oh my, was it James Bond?
That seems an extreme perspective.
If I said Hillary's political strategy is based entirely on accumulating & wielding dynastic power, would you buy that?
Of course not.
This "good vs pure evil" attitude of the left reminds me of.....
Have you missed all my posts & about Bernie?
I'd have voted for him to keep Donald out of office.
Another poster who hasn't read my posts?
Try again for the correct inference.
Your happy that foreign entity meddles in order to stop Hillary or help Trump, either way is the same thing and you have repeatedly insinuated that DNC helping Clinton is revolting. What did I miss, your change of heart?
That's still an incorrect inference.
I was clear.....just read it literally.
Then we'll talk.
I'll just take your word for it.
That's giving up too easily.
The truth is they did have plenty against the trump campaign and their skeletons are scaring the children. Was Obama holding out, perhaps, he insinuated as much. He wasn't trying to anoint Hillary at the expense of meddling with an election.
Bold claims.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
In regards to Hillary, I would say that is extreme. But, I'm open minded to seeing your reasoning. What would lead you to believe that? Or do you?
Also, I am not "of the left". I am pretty much in the middle. I have a problem with the Republicans now because they nominated Trump and now seem to be scared of him. They are too scared of going against him because they don't want to lose support from his die hard supporters.
Trump, imho, is the worst politician I've seen in my lifetime. He's dangerous and he has at least one objectively evil person leading his administration in Bannon. Every day they find another thing to be dishonest about, and they don't even care how obvious they are being.
I don't believe it.
Twas just an offer from the other partisan extreme.
They were scared of him as soon as it appeared he could win nomination.
He (like Bernie) didn't fit the mold.
You remind me of Buckaroo Banzai again.
Has he (Donald, not Buckaroo) no redeeming views?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
It seems obvious that Trump has no actual views. He's a narcissist who only cares about how much his fans like and watch him. Because the Dems were mean to him (in his opinion), he is die hard to oppose anything they like. His views like the wall, immigration, Islam, religious liberty, guns, etc. are just tools for him to energize his hillbilly base.