Probably true. But YOU can't even know that for sure. Much less know with certainty her motivations.She didn't go there to get donuts.
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Probably true. But YOU can't even know that for sure. Much less know with certainty her motivations.She didn't go there to get donuts.
That is an unsubstantiated false assertion. It's like you totally ignored my quite correct statement, "You can't possibly know the reasons that every individual was there.None of them would have been there if Trump hadn't held the rally where he ended up inciting the crowd with lies.
Yes, I am right. But yet you persist.Her actions were consistent with her believing Trump's deception, but you're right that we can't be sure what was going on in her head.
Saying it was a coup attempt doesn't make it one. Your opinion is based on suppositions.... but if she didn't believe in the coup attempt that ended up costing her her life, that would make her story even sadder, IMO.
Back to the "it's obvious" arguments for things that are nonesuch. You forgot the lies being repeated how Capitol Police died, when in truth not a single Capitol Police died due to the events of that day. None. And many protesters were also injured. One was shot and killed. You have an opinion. But that is all that it is, your opinion.And some say there's no such thing as a dumb question.
I watched what happened as it happened for over 4 hours with Trump's refusing to call out the National Guard whereas the Capitol Police were being overwhelmed. It was obvious what was happening and why, even if you didn't see it or decide to paint a different picture of the reality of what took place on that day of infamy.
There are many more segments on YouTube and elsewhere that show the nastiness that you are mis portraying if there were so few violent people, then why did 140 Capitol Police get injured, some very seriously? Or is defending Trump no matter how much evil he speaks or does just your m.o.?
You do realize that more than 900 people have been convicted for their roles in the coup attempt, right? IIRC, about 14 for their part in the fake elector scheme before the riot, and the rest for the riot that was used to delay the counting of the EC vote.Saying it was a coup attempt doesn't make it one. Your opinion is based on suppositions.
Of course not. It's like telling a meth addict that meth is bad for them. But they know that you know it's bad for them, deep down they know too. They know Trump is a criminal, unethical, a crook who defrauds people, a liar, an old guy with fading mental health, and so on. But they get to wallow in their own miserable position bevcause we keep pointing out how bad MAGA is.So for my Harris supporting friends here: do you get tired of trying to convince MAGA folks here that they are wrong? After all the threads about Trump and MAGA, have any of them changed their tune?
But they know they can't win. And we are all entertained.Face it, they are just trolling you. They are not arguing in good faith. Might be a good idea to quit feeding them and put them on ignore.
But we do know that if Trump didn't lie about election fraud there would have been no protest, and that means no attack on the Capitol that many ordinary people got sucked into. She got caught up in the lie, and she lost her life. Trump is ultimately to blame. All these people who believed Trump's lies are to blame as well, but there is no Trump without them. There is no election loss without their votes. Trump was never fit for office, but too many got caught up in his rhetoric and lies, and it's apparent they can't really think for themselves. It's much like Muslim exytremists who get convinced to do a suicide bombing, MAGAs attacked the Capitol. Was there any sense to do such a thing? No. They are not rational people. They are followers. And we worry what they will do next if Trump loses.Probably true. But YOU can't even know that for sure. Much less know with certainty her motivations.
Do you really think any of these followers would have showed up at the Capitol if not for an organized protest?That is an unsubstantiated false assertion. It's like you totally ignored my quite correct statement, "You can't possibly know the reasons that every individual was there.
Correct. But the evidence demonstrates it was such an attempt. Look at the attempt to create fake electors in 7 states, most swing states. That wasn't an accident, it was deliberate fraud led by Gulliani. Some of these criminals have been indicted for fraud in some of these states. Trump demanded pence reject certain state election results. Guess which states. He had no authority to do it, so he refused. The response was to "kill Mike pence". Remember?Saying it was a coup attempt doesn't make it one. Your opinion is based on suppositions.
Back to the "it's obvious" arguments for things that are nonesuch. You forgot the lies being repeated how Capitol Police died, when in truth not a single Capitol Police died due to the events of that day. None. And many protesters were also injured. One was shot and killed. You have an opinion. But that is all that it is, your opinion.
Not only did you see it. You could probably also very easily present a video, and after watching it give times stamps when Trump made clear statements that whipped the crowd up into a frenzy. For example there was a 'fight like hell" urging and endless claims about a stolen election. Trump did lie about marching with the insurgents to the Capitol, but I have to give him credit, he did try to force the Secret Service to drive there. I guess that the old bone spurs were acting up again. He was also aware that there would be armed people in that mob. They probably stayed out of the speech area since the Secret Service would not get rid of their metal detectors even though Trump tried to argue them out of using them,.Bull! I saw it live, and you can twist this any way you want and make up all sorts of stories & excuses, but I know what I saw and heard. And I did not say any died that day, so why did you imply I did???
So, if you want to continue to support "America's Hitler" as J.D. Vance called Trump, you obviously have that right as nuts as that is.
Not only did you see it. You could probably also very easily present a video, and after watching it give times stamps when Trump made clear statements that whipped the crowd up into a frenzy. For example there was a 'fight like hell" urging and endless claims about a stolen election. Trump did lie about marching with the insurgents to the Capitol, but I have to give him credit, he did try to force the Secret Service to drive there. I guess that the old bone spurs were acting up again. He was also aware that there would be armed people in that mob. They probably stayed out of the speech area since the Secret Service would not get rid of their metal detectors even though Trump tried to argue them out of using them,.
If Trump hadn't created the lie in that he won in the first place, those people had no reason to be there. The only reason anyone believed the election was stolen was Trump repeatedly and adamantly claiming that it was. 60+ Court cases later, and his supporters have no reason to believe the election was stolen - save for his lies.That is an unsubstantiated false assertion. It's like you totally ignored my quite correct statement, "You can't possibly know the reasons that every individual was there.
Saying it wasn't doesn't make it one either. There was a broad and reaching plan to take over the government that involved Trump and 18 co-conspirators that merely started with the mob stopping the certification of the election. The mob was going to kill Mike Pence. Many people told this to Trump who said he didn't care and that Pence deserved it. Wake up.Yes, I am right. But yet you persist.
Saying it was a coup attempt doesn't make it one. Your opinion is based on suppositions.
Trump tried to start one with Iran.Trump had no new wars on his watch. What-a-bout-ism Biden? Oh yeah. We know what-about- all that-ism.
Not a single Maga has ever admitted that.Trump tried to start one with Iran.
Yup. To them it's like it never happened.Not a single Maga has ever admitted that.
Nor do they face Trump's failed campaign
promise to exit Afghanistan. He waged that
war for all of his 4 years. Magas ignore this,
only to criticize Biden for ending the war.
So the only way for his acolytes to believe
he isn't a warmonger is to ignore much of
his record.
Yup. Its fair if he wins and there was no fraud. Its corrupt amd fraudelent only and only if he looses (none of the other races matter).
You are so sure that democrats are wonderful?
Trump left a plan. It was not the best of plans, but it had been agreed to by both sides Trump did not have the guts to go through with it because he is a coward and rightfully was afraid that like many such plans it would not be perfect. Biden was willing to get the job done even if there were non-ideal consequences.Not a single Maga has ever admitted that.
Nor do they face Trump's failed campaign
promise to exit Afghanistan. He waged that
war for all of his 4 years. Magas ignore this,
only to criticize Biden for ending the war.
So the only way for his acolytes to believe
he isn't a warmonger is to ignore much of
his record.
No, Far from it. They are just far superior to the alternative right now.You are so sure that democrats are wonderful?
its nice being 10,000 miles from the riots and
“Orange man not my pres” that are coming.
You might be interested in what prof John Mearsheimer hasNot a single Maga has ever admitted that.
Nor do they face Trump's failed campaign
promise to exit Afghanistan. He waged that
war for all of his 4 years. Magas ignore this,
only to criticize Biden for ending the war.
So the only way for his acolytes to believe
he isn't a warmonger is to ignore much of
his record.