Probably true. But YOU can't even know that for sure. Much less know with certainty her motivations.
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If Trump loses the election, will he accept it?
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That is an unsubstantiated false assertion. It's like you totally ignored my quite correct statement, "You can't possibly know the reasons that every individual was there.
Yes, I am right. But yet you persist.
Saying it was a coup attempt doesn't make it one. Your opinion is based on suppositions.
Back to the "it's obvious" arguments for things that are nonesuch. You forgot the lies being repeated how Capitol Police died, when in truth not a single Capitol Police died due to the events of that day. None. And many protesters were also injured. One was shot and killed. You have an opinion. But that is all that it is, your opinion.
You do realize that more than 900 people have been convicted for their roles in the coup attempt, right? IIRC, about 14 for their part in the fake elector scheme before the riot, and the rest for the riot that was used to delay the counting of the EC vote.
At this point, it's been proven in court beyond a reasonable doubt that a coup attempt occurred. All we're waiting for now is a court verdict as to whether Trump himself was a participant in the coup that was happening all around him.
(Well, that and the resolution to the remaining few hundred indictments)
Of course not. It's like telling a meth addict that meth is bad for them. But they know that you know it's bad for them, deep down they know too. They know Trump is a criminal, unethical, a crook who defrauds people, a liar, an old guy with fading mental health, and so on. But they get to wallow in their own miserable position bevcause we keep pointing out how bad MAGA is.
But they know they can't win. And we are all entertained.
But we do know that if Trump didn't lie about election fraud there would have been no protest, and that means no attack on the Capitol that many ordinary people got sucked into. She got caught up in the lie, and she lost her life. Trump is ultimately to blame. All these people who believed Trump's lies are to blame as well, but there is no Trump without them. There is no election loss without their votes. Trump was never fit for office, but too many got caught up in his rhetoric and lies, and it's apparent they can't really think for themselves. It's much like Muslim exytremists who get convinced to do a suicide bombing, MAGAs attacked the Capitol. Was there any sense to do such a thing? No. They are not rational people. They are followers. And we worry what they will do next if Trump loses.
Do you really think any of these followers would have showed up at the Capitol if not for an organized protest?
Correct. But the evidence demonstrates it was such an attempt. Look at the attempt to create fake electors in 7 states, most swing states. That wasn't an accident, it was deliberate fraud led by Gulliani. Some of these criminals have been indicted for fraud in some of these states. Trump demanded pence reject certain state election results. Guess which states. He had no authority to do it, so he refused. The response was to "kill Mike pence". Remember?
Trump has been indicted for his role in this conspiracy. He will face trial if he loses.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Bull! I saw it live, and you can twist this any way you want and make up all sorts of stories & excuses, but I know what I saw and heard. And I did not say any died that day, so why did you imply I did???
So, if you want to continue to support "America's Hitler" as J.D. Vance called Trump, you obviously have that right as nuts as that is.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Not only did you see it. You could probably also very easily present a video, and after watching it give times stamps when Trump made clear statements that whipped the crowd up into a frenzy. For example there was a 'fight like hell" urging and endless claims about a stolen election. Trump did lie about marching with the insurgents to the Capitol, but I have to give him credit, he did try to force the Secret Service to drive there. I guess that the old bone spurs were acting up again. He was also aware that there would be armed people in that mob. They probably stayed out of the speech area since the Secret Service would not get rid of their metal detectors even though Trump tried to argue them out of using them,.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yes, and it's a pathetic shame we read whereas some here seem not to have one ounce of compassion for the 140 Capitol Police injured on that day or the threat to overturn the election by Donald J. Trump.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
If Trump hadn't created the lie in that he won in the first place, those people had no reason to be there. The only reason anyone believed the election was stolen was Trump repeatedly and adamantly claiming that it was. 60+ Court cases later, and his supporters have no reason to believe the election was stolen - save for his lies.
Many of them even claimed they were there at Trump's behest. I even pointed them out to you. You pretend they don't exist ...
Saying it wasn't doesn't make it one either. There was a broad and reaching plan to take over the government that involved Trump and 18 co-conspirators that merely started with the mob stopping the certification of the election. The mob was going to kill Mike Pence. Many people told this to Trump who said he didn't care and that Pence deserved it. Wake up.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Trump tried to start one with Iran.
Not a single Maga has ever admitted that.
Nor do they face Trump's failed campaign
promise to exit Afghanistan. He waged that
war for all of his 4 years. Magas ignore this,
only to criticize Biden for ending the war.
So the only way for his acolytes to believe
he isn't a warmonger is to ignore much of
his record.