Hitler and Mussolini had the military backing them up; Trump does not.
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If Trump wins, will there be elections in four years or will he be a fascist dictator?
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I have my doubts if he will make it to the inauguration. His decline has increased noticeably this year. And I doubt that he would be able to make his changes occur even if he was younger. He would need to stage some sort of military coup and even among Republicans there are limits to how far those people will go.
He may be able to make his own Executive Branch of government rather fascistic, but I doubt that he could take over the whole government.
So things will continue as normal despite all the hand-wringing. Agreed.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
One thing we have learned from history is to take what candidates say seriously and not underestimate their rhetoric. It was believed by so many in Germany prior to WWII that NAZI rhetoric was campaign baloney, thus not to be taken very seriously. However...
Trump had been spouting fascism for years now, thus I am very worried that if elected that is what we are going to get. Also, I have no doubt that if he loses legally, he and his MAGA maniacs will try every trick in the book to take power through overturning the Electoral College slates by state. In Trump's case, he has literally nothing to lose because he knows he'll be going to prison if he cannot become president.
As a student if the Holocaust, we need to take him and what he's likely to do VERY SERIOUSLY!
stvdv
Veteran Member
Good point
He is now 78 years old
His father died age 93, mother 88
So, indeed, if Trump is the Anti Christ
He might rule for the next 15 years
Pogo
Well-Known Member
No, far worse than the normal chaos, but ultimately he will be stalemated by the rational as happened the last time.
His ultimate problem is his sycophants are not really smart enough to run things and it will become evident.
His father died at 93, but Fred Trump lost his mental faculties around 85.
Trump has reached dementia much earlier than his father.
PureX
Veteran Member
I think that is very unlikely. For one thing, the military is sworn to honor the Constitution, not the president. If the president gives them an unlawful order (like acting against the people of the United States) the generals can and I believe would simply tell him 'no'. The United States has long had a significant fascistic streak among it's citizens but in the end, we have always chosen to reject it. Twice in the 20th century and we will again now, in the 21st. This fascist idiocy is apparently something that rears it's ugly head among us every so often, but that when we finally see it for what it is, we say 'no' to it.
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Things will not continue as normal for the families of a groing number of women like Amber Thurman and Josseli Barnica.
Things will not continue as normal for the families shattered by Trump's "largest deportation in the history of our country."
Things will not continue as normal for the families smeared as trash because they're Puerto Rican.
Things will not continue as normal for the families demonized because they're Haitian.
Things will not continue as normal for the families of further denigrated LGBTQ+ Americans.
Things will not continue as normal for the families of those who will die with RFK Jr. in control of our public health agencies.
Things will not continue as normal for the families of those who lives will be shattered in the wake of Obamacare's demise.
Things will not continue as normal for the families of Ukrainians facing defeat at the hands of Putin.
Things will not continue as normal for the families in Taiwan threatened with following in the footsteps of Ukraine.
Things will not continue as normal for the families of Europeans who looked to NATO as an important stabilizing force.
Things will not continue as normal for the families of those domestically and internationally devastated by Tramp's tariffs.
But I suspect that, from your perspective, that's no biggie ...
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
So old straight retired white guys like me will be okay. Dang it! That means that if I do not care even just for my extended family at all I may have voted for the wrong candidate. I keep forgetting that elections are only supposed to be about me and ignore all higher ideals.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
As one old white guy to another, I am relying on having those rapists and blood poisoners and pet eaters around to wipe my butt when I can't do it for myself anymore. Totally justifiable self interest on my part.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Trump has already said he will not run again for President.
But he does have many people in swing sttes that are willing to sabotage vote counts and certifications. And he has a "secret plan" with Mike Johnson, whatever that means. It surely sounds illegal in part due to it being another conspiracy. And Trump has his armed mob which surely haven't learned anything from Jan 6, 2021.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I think an election will occur as has every four years and someone else will become President. I hope this is true.
PureX
Veteran Member
And he is known for always telling the truth, ... so there's that.
Those are all biggies and terrible things. Seems like you have no clue about me. What is normal is that there will be elections in four years . . . Trump will be gone . . . and the nation will move on (and will likely correct any of the terrible things that may happen if Trump is elected).
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I don't think modern Democrats will have a dictator. More like a figurehead that they can control under a one party hive mind state that is heavily centralized with unprecedented power and control over its citizenry. That means seizing the federal government and eliminating states rights.
Old school Democrats were never like that until recent decades.
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You mean like we've corrected the impact of Trump's last presidency on the Supreme Court, women's reproductive rights, and U.S. voting rights? Just brilliant!
What I do know is the capacity of some people to demonstrate an astounding ignorance of the likely long term sociopolitical ramifications of a Trump presidency, particularly given the increased likelihood that he would be succeeded by Vance.
Patience. These things won't be corrected overnight. And I hope Trump is not elected so we can avoid further damage in the meantime.
Patience. These things won't be corrected overnight. And I hope Trump is not elected so we can avoid further damage in the meantime.