If you can't believe.....

[Thief]

But atheism is the default position, the lack-of-opinion that precedes any collection of evidence.

THAT...I don't believe.
Any 'evidence' of any collection of people never having a faith?
Atheism as the first of all belief systems?

Nay.

and with that word in mind.....
You would need a belief of some Higher Power.......
BEFORE you have the opportunity to decline of it.

 

[Nietzsche]

THAT...I don't believe.
Any 'evidence' of any collection of people never having a faith?
Atheism as the first of all belief systems?

Nay.

and with that word in mind.....
You would need a belief of some Higher Power.......
BEFORE you have the opportunity to decline of it.

Atheism is not the rejection of a higher power. It's non-belief, simple as that. Atheism is the default position of everyone. You cannot believe in what you aren't aware of.

 

[Valjean]

When was atheism ever the 'first of all belief systems'? Atheism is the antithesis of a belief system.-- no belief and no system.

Atheism is a blank slate.

 

[Thief]

Atheism is not the rejection of a higher power. It's non-belief, simple as that. Atheism is the default position of everyone. You cannot believe in what you aren't aware of.

That would be the condition of my dog.
sorry...but true.

At some point (I reckon Day Six of Genesis).....
Man was made as a species.
No names, no garden, no law, no restrictions,.......
Go forth, be fruitful and multiply.....dominate all things.

Man was not aware (not hearing) the Word of God.....at that point.

That 'point' came later.....Chapter Two of Genesis.

Prior to the introduction....there was no belief.

 

[Nietzsche]

That would be the condition of my dog.
sorry...but true.

Sorry for what? That's a perfectly usable example. A dog is an atheist. A child brought up in a culture without references to a higher power of some kind would also be an atheist.

At some point (I reckon Day Six of Genesis).....
Man was made as a species.
No names, no garden, no law, no restrictions,.......
Go forth, be fruitful and multiply.....dominate all things.

Man was not aware (not hearing) the Word of God.....at that point.

That 'point' came later.....Chapter Two of Genesis.

Prior to the introduction....there was no belief.

That is what you believe. However we are not born with knowledge of the divine. If we were, there would not be remotely as many other faiths, let alone lack of faith.

 

[Thief]

Sorry for what? That's a perfectly usable example. A dog is an atheist. A child brought up in a culture without references to a higher power of some kind would also be an atheist.


That is what you believe. However we are not born with knowledge of the divine. If we were, there would not be remotely as many other faiths, let alone lack of faith.

I don't see it that way.
Atheism is a deliberate (as in deliberated) stance.
A position of intent and a holding of reason.
It is denial.

That we are not born with faith does not indicate we are born atheist.

 

[Nietzsche]

I don't see it that way.
Atheism is a deliberate (as in deliberated) stance.
A position of intent and a holding of reason.
It is denial.

That we are not born with faith does not indicate we are born atheist.

That's a problem with your view of Atheism, not Atheism. Atheism is non-belief, simple as that.

 

[Thief]

When was atheism ever the 'first of all belief systems'? Atheism is the antithesis of a belief system.-- no belief and no system.

Atheism is a blank slate.

Nay to you as well.
My dog has a blank slate.
The earliest of Man had a blank slate.

I say disbelief IS denial.
You need the faith in play (not necessarily your own) first.
THEN you make your reasons.....and then your denial.

 

[Parsimony]

I say disbelief IS denial.
You need the faith in play (not necessarily your own) first.
THEN you make your reasons.....and then your denial.

How do you figure? Do you use this same reasoning for other things (i.e. people have faith in Bigfoot's existence before they can find reason to deny its existence)?

 

[Thief]

How do you figure? Do you use this same reasoning for other things (i.e. people have faith in Bigfoot's existence before they can find reason to deny its existence)?

Well let's keep it aimed at God.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But atheism is the default position, the lack-of-opinion that precedes any collection of evidence.

I doubt there is any default position. We start out not even knowing of the existence of our self, as we learn that we exist we also take in what our culture teaches us.

 

[Debater Slayer]

That would be the condition of my dog.
sorry...but true.

At some point (I reckon Day Six of Genesis).....
Man was made as a species.
No names, no garden, no law, no restrictions,.......
Go forth, be fruitful and multiply.....dominate all things.

Man was not aware (not hearing) the Word of God.....at that point.

That 'point' came later.....Chapter Two of Genesis.

Prior to the introduction....there was no belief.

I...

Really...

Miss...

The...

Facepalm smiley...

 

[Thief]

I doubt there is any default position. We start out not even knowing of the existence of our self, as we learn that we exist we also take in what our culture teaches us.

ok...so you are not an atheist at birth?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

ok...so you are not an atheist at birth?

No. We have no self awareness at birth, nor any sense of object permanency. At birth we are nothing more than a child responding to stimuli. As we begin to age, we come to develop a sense of self, and as we develop this we are also taking in what our culture teaches us. How can anyone have any sort of default position when they do not even know of themselves?

 

[Parsimony]

Well let's keep it aimed at God.

So was that a yes or a no? Newborns have no knowledge of God or most anything else that adults (or even young children) take for granted. A person would only become familiar with a god concept if (1) they learn about God from the society they are brought up in, (2) they become old enough to ask the questions that are often used to invoke God (i.e. where did life come from? Where did the world come from? Is there life after death?) or (3) they have a supernatural experience firsthand. When they are too young for any of these things to occur, I would say they are ignostic or agnostic. There is no faith to be denied because they do not know about faith.

 

[McBell]

THAT...I don't believe.
Any 'evidence' of any collection of people never having a faith?
Atheism as the first of all belief systems?

Nay.

and with that word in mind.....
You would need a belief of some Higher Power.......
BEFORE you have the opportunity to decline of it.

you really do a superb job when you start shoveling the bull ****.

 

[McBell]

Well let's keep it aimed at God.

worried about the similarities?

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't see it that way.
Atheism is a deliberate (as in deliberated) stance.
A position of intent and a holding of reason.
It is denial.

That we are not born with faith does not indicate we are born atheist.

Not surprisingly, I don't think what you call "atheism" is very much alike the real thing.

 

[Cephus]

If you can't believe in what cannot be proven.....
What are you doing here in a religious forum?

Wishful thinking?.....in the hope no rational can present God?

Discussing religion, of course. This isn't a forum for the promotion of religion, it is a forum for debating religion.

 

[viole]

Well let's keep it aimed at God.

Which one?

Ciao

- viole