If you can't even say what you mean, then what?

[David Young]

Speaker A: "You must agree that my Electric-mango status is Four."
Sceptic: "What does 'Electric-mango status' mean?"
Speaker A: "I can't define it, but you must agree that it is Four."

Speaker B: "I am a woman."
Sceptic: "What do you mean by 'woman'?"
Speaker B: "I can't define it, but you must agree that I am a woman."

Outside the realm of a cult or a special-needs classroom, who is supposed to respect speakers A or B?

 

[Altfish]

Speaker A: "You must agree that my Electric-mango status is Four."
Sceptic: "What does 'Electric-mango status' mean?"
Speaker A: "I can't define it, but you must agree that it is Four."

Speaker B: "I am a woman."
Sceptic: "What do you mean by 'woman'?"
Speaker B: "I can't define it, but you must agree that I am a woman."

Outside the realm of a cult or a special-needs classroom, who is supposed to respect speakers A or B?

It is a big jump to 'respect' any statement, respect usually means that you have an element of admiration for the views expressed.
In many cases a person would accept the comments/statement but may walk away thinking they are talking rubbish.

 

[PureX]

Speaker A: "You must agree that my Electric-mango status is Four."
Sceptic: "What does 'Electric-mango status' mean?"
Speaker A: "I can't define it, but you must agree that it is Four."

Speaker B: "I am a woman."
Sceptic: "What do you mean by 'woman'?"
Speaker B: "I can't define it, but you must agree that I am a woman."

Outside the realm of a cult or a special-needs classroom, who is supposed to respect speakers A or B?

Why is this an issue for you? You don't have to agree with whatever anyone says. Nor do you have to disagree. Nor do you have to do what anyone says. You can just smile and nod and move on.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Speaker A: "You must agree that my Electric-mango status is Four."
Sceptic: "What does 'Electric-mango status' mean?"
Speaker A: "I can't define it, but you must agree that it is Four."

Speaker B: "I am a woman."
Sceptic: "What do you mean by 'woman'?"
Speaker B: "I can't define it, but you must agree that I am a woman."

Outside the realm of a cult or a special-needs classroom, who is supposed to respect speakers A or B?

By not supposing first off. Respect is earned not givin.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

So far, two of the replies given to this post suggests that a definition of the term “respect” may be useful first.

Humbly
Hermit

 

[Erebus]

Speaker A: "You must agree that my Electric-mango status is Four."
Sceptic: "What does 'Electric-mango status' mean?"
Speaker A: "I can't define it, but you must agree that it is Four."

Speaker B: "I am a woman."
Sceptic: "What do you mean by 'woman'?"
Speaker B: "I can't define it, but you must agree that I am a woman."

Outside the realm of a cult or a special-needs classroom, who is supposed to respect speakers A or B?

I've spent enough time on RF to know that definitions can get messy and sometimes lead to arguments based on misunderstandings.

That said, do you find "My Electric-mango status is four" and "I am a woman" to be equally baffling? I don't. Even if somebody is unwilling or unable to give a precise definition, it's often possible to at least get the gist of what they're saying.

Personally, I don't really care what your opinions of persons A and B are. I'm much more concerned with how you behave towards them.

 

[ChristineM]

Speaker A: "You must agree that my Electric-mango status is Four."
Sceptic: "What does 'Electric-mango status' mean?"
Speaker A: "I can't define it, but you must agree that it is Four."

Speaker B: "I am a woman."
Sceptic: "What do you mean by 'woman'?"
Speaker B: "I can't define it, but you must agree that I am a woman."

Outside the realm of a cult or a special-needs classroom, who is supposed to respect speakers A or B?

Electric mango status is of the mind, people can think whatever they want.

Being a woman is usually a physical thing.

And respect is earned.

 

[Kenny]

Speaker A: "You must agree that my Electric-mango status is Four."
Sceptic: "What does 'Electric-mango status' mean?"
Speaker A: "I can't define it, but you must agree that it is Four."

Speaker B: "I am a woman."
Sceptic: "What do you mean by 'woman'?"
Speaker B: "I can't define it, but you must agree that I am a woman."

Outside the realm of a cult or a special-needs classroom, who is supposed to respect speakers A or B?

You simply scratch your head because speaker A will leave thinking it is a Four and speaker B will still thing that it is a woman (I use the word "it") because I still don't know what it is. ;D

 

[PureX]

This is a tangent, but respect is not earned. We afford each other all sorts of respect as fellow humans, as fellow citizens, as gender fellows, as ethnic fellows, as members of the same economic class, as members of the same profession, and so on, and we do so never having met the other person.

Sorry, but I get annoyed when people claim that respect must be earned. Because, fortunately for all of us, it does not.

 

[SomeRandom]

Speaker A: "You must agree that my Electric-mango status is Four."
Sceptic: "What does 'Electric-mango status' mean?"
Speaker A: "I can't define it, but you must agree that it is Four."

Speaker B: "I am a woman."
Sceptic: "What do you mean by 'woman'?"
Speaker B: "I can't define it, but you must agree that I am a woman."

Outside the realm of a cult or a special-needs classroom, who is supposed to respect speakers A or B?

If someone asks me to refer to them as a woman, I will do so. Because that’s a respectful thing to do???
Like that’s just basic manners. And I could care less about their definition.
If they ask me to call them by their nickname, I’m not going to go out of my way to call them by their full name. Like that’s just rude. So why would you do the opposite if someone asked you to refer to them as a woman or man? Does civility not exist? I thought my generation of young ingrates were the ones who supposedly lacked manners?

Electric Mango status sounds like a tropical based superpower honestly lol. So again, I could care less about the definition.
It sounds fun though

 

[VoidCat]

Speaker A: "You must agree that my Electric-mango status is Four."
Sceptic: "What does 'Electric-mango status' mean?"
Speaker A: "I can't define it, but you must agree that it is Four."

Speaker B: "I am a woman."
Sceptic: "What do you mean by 'woman'?"
Speaker B: "I can't define it, but you must agree that I am a woman."

Outside the realm of a cult or a special-needs classroom, who is supposed to respect speakers A or B?

I'd respect the woman's pronouns
And be very confused with Speaker A

 

[Audie]

Electric mango status is of the mind, people can think whatever they want.

Being a woman is usually a physical thing.

And respect is earned.

Usually?

 

[MyM]

Speaker A: "You must agree that my Electric-mango status is Four."
Sceptic: "What does 'Electric-mango status' mean?"
Speaker A: "I can't define it, but you must agree that it is Four."

Speaker B: "I am a woman."
Sceptic: "What do you mean by 'woman'?"
Speaker B: "I can't define it, but you must agree that I am a woman."

Outside the realm of a cult or a special-needs classroom, who is supposed to respect speakers A or B?

Interesting.

When neither party proves what it is that they are explaining, give both due respect-doesn't mean you have to agree with them but explain and move on. lol
A. could be lying and a narcissist lol
B. could be a man/trans or whatever

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Speaker A: "You must agree that my Electric-mango status is Four."
Sceptic: "What does 'Electric-mango status' mean?"
Speaker A: "I can't define it, but you must agree that it is Four."

Speaker B: "I am a woman."
Sceptic: "What do you mean by 'woman'?"
Speaker B: "I can't define it, but you must agree that I am a woman."

Outside the realm of a cult or a special-needs classroom, who is supposed to respect speakers A or B?

I'm trying to decide whether you're trying to argue for ignosticism or being anti-trans.

 

[Orbit]

Speaker A: "You must agree that my Electric-mango status is Four."
Sceptic: "What does 'Electric-mango status' mean?"
Speaker A: "I can't define it, but you must agree that it is Four."

Speaker B: "I am a woman."
Sceptic: "What do you mean by 'woman'?"
Speaker B: "I can't define it, but you must agree that I am a woman."

Outside the realm of a cult or a special-needs classroom, who is supposed to respect speakers A or B?

Looks like a thinly veiled anti-trans post.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Speaker A: "You must agree that my Electric-mango status is Four."
Sceptic: "What does 'Electric-mango status' mean?"
Speaker A: "I can't define it, but you must agree that it is Four."

Speaker B: "I am a woman."
Sceptic: "What do you mean by 'woman'?"
Speaker B: "I can't define it, but you must agree that I am a woman."

Outside the realm of a cult or a special-needs classroom, who is supposed to respect speakers A or B?

I have absolutely no idea what you mean by any of this.

Respect is something we owe each other; it’s simple good manners, and costs nothing.

 

[ChristineM]

Usually?

Fantasies are also of the mind.

And i just remembered Funny Girls... If you ever get to the UK that's a place you need to visit.

Funny Girls – The ultimate cabaret & party venue

Although a guess there are similar shows around the world

 

[exchemist]

Looks like a thinly veiled anti-trans post.

@David Young seems to have a habit of coat-trailing, on the usual right wing topics.

 

[74x12]

Why is this an issue for you? You don't have to agree with whatever anyone says. Nor do you have to disagree. Nor do you have to do what anyone says. You can just smile and nod and move on.

Until they get you fired from your job or something worse for not going along with their play pretend world. That's the problem.

 

[icehorse]

Looks like a thinly veiled anti-trans post.

And @9-10ths_Penguin

We seem to be falling into a weird mindset when it comes to social justice. The mindset is that we have to mindlessly support any and every "solution" that "the oppressed" cook up. I support the LGBTQ+ community. I support the fight against racism.

But that doesn't mean we cannot and should not comment on the societal solutions SJWs propose. Being Black or gay doesn't somehow make you a master of how to move a society forward.