PureX
Veteran Member
But it's not a problem. Because that isn't happening. Nor is it something that's remotely likely to happen. So why bother about it? Especially when there are plenty of actual threats to worry about.
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If you can't even say what you mean, then what?
- Thread starter David Young
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I'd say you don't actually support anyone you call "the oppressed" in quotation marks.
I'm not sure I'd call the OP's vaguebooking a "comment on the societal solutions SJWs propose."
A wonderful case in point!
A common SJW perspective is to divide the world into "oppressors" and "the oppressed". And if you take issue with that perspective, then you must be a _______________ (racist, transphobe, and so on).
Regarding respect, please note that there are two different words with the same spelling and pronunciation being confused for one another in this thread.
First, there is the respect you are born entitled to but can lose, as when people are polite to one another and are respectful of one others rights. It has nothing to do with admiration: "due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of others" as in "with all due respect"
The other is something one is not born with, but can earn - a synonym for esteem: "a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements" as with the kind of respect Zelenskyy is earning, or a respected brand or business.
There are other meanings for respect, such as the homage one pays to something like a viper when one respects its prowess as a killer and gives it wide berth, or an aspect of something, as with, "In that one respect, I agree with you, but otherwise, no."
First, there is the respect you are born entitled to but can lose, as when people are polite to one another and are respectful of one others rights. It has nothing to do with admiration: "due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of others" as in "with all due respect"
The other is something one is not born with, but can earn - a synonym for esteem: "a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements" as with the kind of respect Zelenskyy is earning, or a respected brand or business.
There are other meanings for respect, such as the homage one pays to something like a viper when one respects its prowess as a killer and gives it wide berth, or an aspect of something, as with, "In that one respect, I agree with you, but otherwise, no."
Your post forcibly reminded me of my “anti SJW” phase. (Mostly in the context of trying to fit into my geeky circles. Which in hindsight were the more toxic elements of the fandoms.)
*shudders*
The antis and the so called “SJWs” deserve each other, if I’m honest.
David Young
Member
I have a working definition of 'woman'. Another person may choose to contest my definition of 'woman' by saying that theirs is better. I would have a reason to listen to their case. They might even persuade me to adopt their definition and use it accordingly
When it comes to a person who insists that I call them a 'woman', even though they do not fit my definition of that term, and they refuse to define the word themselves, is there any reason why I should use the word differently from the way I have used it up to this point, especially when referring to them?
When it comes to a person who insists that I call them a 'woman', even though they do not fit my definition of that term, and they refuse to define the word themselves, is there any reason why I should use the word differently from the way I have used it up to this point, especially when referring to them?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Respect definitely has to be earned. If a person acts like a spoiled child I'm not going to respect them. Just not happening.
PureX
Veteran Member
But all that means is that the respect you would have normally afforded them as a fellow human, a fellow adult, a fellow citizen, and so on, you are now choosing to deny them because they are not behaving in a way that you think warrants it. They didn't not earn it. They dis-earned it.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
If someone is not saying what they mean, the polite thing to do would be to ask some questions, so you and they can figure out what they mean, before passing judgement.
It is not uncommon for people to listen to others explain something, such as in lecture. To them it all make sense, the way the lecturer lay their arguments. However, the person in the audience, can't remember the full line of reasoning and simply summarize the eye opening ideas with the bottom line.
Through your own line of questioning, you may both be able to come to a mutual understanding. After that, you can take it with a grain of salt, accept or argue against it.
I remember meeting someone new who wished to be called Doctor. I was told he had a doctorate in philosophy. I thought to myself, he was being to formal for this group of friends. To make that point, without being disrespectful, I told him I had a Masters in Engineering, and he could call me "Master". We both laughed.
It is not uncommon for people to listen to others explain something, such as in lecture. To them it all make sense, the way the lecturer lay their arguments. However, the person in the audience, can't remember the full line of reasoning and simply summarize the eye opening ideas with the bottom line.
Through your own line of questioning, you may both be able to come to a mutual understanding. After that, you can take it with a grain of salt, accept or argue against it.
I remember meeting someone new who wished to be called Doctor. I was told he had a doctorate in philosophy. I thought to myself, he was being to formal for this group of friends. To make that point, without being disrespectful, I told him I had a Masters in Engineering, and he could call me "Master". We both laughed.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Same thing.
PureX
Veteran Member
Not the same thing at all.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Of course it is .. it's basing respect on actions to decide if they have earned that respect.
PureX
Veteran Member
Only AFTER someone has behave d in a way you you determine to be undeserving of respect. Before that you afforded them plenty of respect. As a fellow human, as a fellow citizen, as a fellow male or female, as a coworker, as a professional, as a ... whatever.
My point is that we do not have to earn anyone's respect unless we have done something to make them withdraw it. And no one else has to earn our respect unless they have done something to make us withdraw it. Because among humans, respect is automatic, until it's abused. Just AS IT SHOULD BE. And if this really is not true for you, then I feel sorry for you, and for anyone that encounters you. Because you have placed yourself in judgment over everyone one else in the world. A position you clearly don't deserve, and are just as clearly incapable of fulfilling.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
PureX
Veteran Member
No. How could I determine them undeserving of respect if I have no experience of them? That would be both irrational and unfair.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Hmm..I'm glad you aren't choosing people for a battle then. Developing intuition about someone's character can be very important in certain situations, like who to pick for certain jobs.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Who claims to be "a master of how to move a society forward"? What is that even supposed to mean?
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
I disagree. Nothing in that post is "thinly veiled".
Sea lion much?