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Sorry. My husband is sitting here telling me I need to hurry up and finish so we can go to the fish store; I'll blame him for my lack of alertness.I was just trying to be funny...
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Sorry. My husband is sitting here telling me I need to hurry up and finish so we can go to the fish store; I'll blame him for my lack of alertness.I was just trying to be funny...
when it comes to our worship it should be pure worship not adultrated worship. and those who turn to pure worhip are forgiven for their past badness. saul used to be into false worship and he was very zealous for that belief system, but he turned to true worship and all of the bad things that he did in the past were forgiven him . the fact of the matter is ,that when we realize something is wrong we refrain from doing it . you are right to say it is not up to us to judge, but some people after finding out something is wrong are willing to give it up but some are not willing to do that . and many people do things in ignorance.Since when did God say that celebrating him or his son is wrong?
You seem to be stuck on the fact that it used to be pagan holiday and has now been turned into a way to worship God. Somehow you believe that because it used to be bad, it is always bad.
I seem to remember stories in the Bible that say you are wrong. What about the prostitute that God forgave and told her to sin no more?
(used to be bad, now is good)
What about Saul who went about killing Christians, what did God do there? Oh yes, he convinced Saul to follow him and teach about Christ.
(used to be bad, now is good)
I could go on and on but I hope you get the point.
Anyway, if you want to complain about things with pagan origins, then you can't use the regular days of the week since they all derive from paganism. Do you use the regular names for days of the week? you dirty pagan!!!
relax.
i dont make them a part of my worship .so is "monday" "tuesday" "wednesday" "thursday" "friday" "saturday" and "sunday"
Do you avoid the days of the week too?
The Days of the Week
As far as I know, Jehovah's Witnesses don't object to using pagan names or days or months.
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true , its mixing our worship that we object to. we are into pure worship . and getting out of false worship is the thing to do . revelation 18;4
when it comes to our worship it should be pure worship not adultrated worship. and those who turn to pure worhip are forgiven for their past badness. saul used to be into false worship and he was very zealous for that belief system, but he turned to true worship and all of the bad things that he did in the past were forgiven him . the fact of the matter is ,that when we realize something is wrong we refrain from doing it . you are right to say it is not up to us to judge, but some people after finding out something is wrong are willing to give it up but some are not willing to do that . and many people do things in ignorance.
i dont make them a part of my worship .
recognizing Jesus as Gods only begotten son, and as the reigning king of Gods kingdom ,is the thing to do every day of my life . mixing my beliefs with other beliefs is not needed.Do you not believe celebrating Jesus is good?
The Bible ignores Christmas because it is not a Christian doctrine or practice. It is not of divine origin.Nobody worships Christmas either yet you object to it.
I agree. We should always be humble and submissive. We should also be show to judge others as "so-called Christians" and ourselves as the real deal. God alone is entitled to separate the sheep from the goats.yes , self righteousness is not a good thing . humbly submitting to right worship is the way to go .
And tell me why God would be so opposed to an annual commoration of the birth of His Only Begotten Son. Regardless of the fact that we all know it didn't take place on December 25, why would He object to beautiful music, the reading of Luke's account of the Savior's birth, family togetherness and goodwill towards all? If He doesn't object to these things on the other 364 days out of the year, why do you think He objects to them on December 25? Naturally, we should be focused on Christ every day of our lives, but if an annual day of remembering helps us focus on the most glorious night in the history of the world, and brings joy to the hearts of millions, I find it ludicrous to believe that God is offended by it.there are many so called christian leaders out there who know that christmas is wrong in the eyes of God ,yet not only do they carry on mixing true with false ,they even lead their flocks to believe it is good in the eyes of God .:no:
I don't think that Jesus particular cared one way or the other. Even today, I don't think He cares that I do and that you don't. There are certain things that matter very much to Him, and those things we have been commanded to do. There are other things we have been commanded not to do. I don't find the celebration of His birth to be on either list.There is another important point. If Jesus wanted his followers to celebrate his birth, why did he not instruct them to do so?
Neither do the words "Kingdom Hall" or "Watchtower." Maybe His early disciples did not worship in Kingdom Halls or handout Watchtowers.The word "Christmas" does not even appear in the Bible because there was no such celebration among Jesus’ early disciples.
I don't think that matters too much.There is another important point. If Jesus wanted his followers to celebrate his birth, why did he not instruct them to do so? With respect to the day of his death, he outlined a simple celebration and commanded: "Keep doing this in remembrance of me." (Luke 22:19) Jesus gave no such instruction regarding his birth.
alwayswondering said:I don't celebrate Christmas December 25th. Instead I take the primary lesson I've found in all faiths - treat others like you want to be treated - out into my world every single day.
reasoning on the scriptures is not judging others, if others celabrate it that is up to them . but i can see for myself that it is out of line with bible teaching.I don't think that Jesus particular cared one way or the other. Even today, I don't think He cares that I do and that you don't. There are certain things that matter very much to Him, and those things we have been commanded to do. There are other things we have been commanded not to do. I don't find the celebration of His birth to be on either list.
Neither do the words "Kingdom Hall" or "Watchtower." Maybe His early disciples did not worship in Kingdom Halls or handout Watchtowers.
My point is not that we should or should not celebrate Christmas. I have no problem whatsoever with your choice not to. What I object to is the way you look your nose down at those Christians who do and your use of the qualifier "so-called" every time you refer to anyone other than JWs as Christians.
In Mark 9:38-41, we read of Christ's response to John when John attempted to exlude another of His disciples on the basis of some technicality. Jesus said, "...Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part. For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward."
I'm sorry, but I just have little patience with Christians of any denomination who are so narrow-minded that they have to condemn everyone whose practices are different than their own. It's entirely possibly to be strong in one's own faith without judging other people's faiths as being offensive to God.
i think Jesus was teaching about humility, he was not making a command of washing peoples feet.I don't think that matters too much.
In my reading of the Bible, the celebration that Jesus emphasized most was ritual foot-washing (John 13:12-17), but this only gets lip service in Catholic churches, and most Protestant denominations ignore His commandments for this ceremony completely, IIRC.
If a church doesn't care about foot-washing, why would they care that Jesus never said anything about Christmas?
Neither do the words "Kingdom Hall" or "Watchtower." Maybe His early disciples did not worship in Kingdom Halls or handout Watchtowers.
quote] very true , but kingdom halls are the place to go for learning about the bible, and pure worship inline with the bible . and the watchtower is printed to direct people to the bible . and i am sad to say that the christmas celabration does the opposite of those things ,it leads us away from the bible and what it teaches.
To those of you who don't believe in Jesus Christ or the Christian religion, do you still celebrate Christmas?
Why or why not?
To those of you who don't believe in Jesus Christ or the Christian religion, do you still celebrate Christmas?
Why or why not?