If you Knew Here was Hell Would you Act Differently?

[wizanda]

He said "ALL of these things", which would include Rome's ultimate demise

Where did he say anything about Rome's demise, please show me, as not aware of it?

And yet theologins have been arguing about their "real" meanings ever since they were written, and still aren't anywhere close to any kind of consensus.

That would be fine in an academic setting; yet we're in a thread about here being the top floor of Hell.... So of course demons won't understand the divine revelations; that is the whole point in prophets being sent, to help explain how to get out, so instead we murdered them as sin offerings.

actual Jewish people confirm this, I'll assume this is simply false.

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Besides, if it's nothing to do with the Hindu concepts, don't call it reincarnation, which is a very Hindu thing. Call it something else.

LoL, reincarnation has been also studied scientifically, and isn't only Hinduism specifically assigned; if i'd used the Sanskrit word, 'Punarjanma', then could understand....Yet used Gilgul, which is the Hebrew version of it, with slightly different expectations.

 

[Riverwolf]

Where did he say anything about Rome's demise, please show me, as not aware of it?

Establishment of the Eternal Kingdom necessitates the demise of Rome. That's why the Romans killed him, and many others like him, in the first place.

That would be fine in an academic setting; yet we're in a thread about here being the top floor of Hell.... So of course demons won't understand the divine revelations; that is the whole point in prophets being sent, to help explain how to get out, so instead we murdered them as sin offerings.

So, they won't understand divine revelations, so they get sent divine revelations... is this God you speak of just a bored kid?

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Seems to be hardly a universally accepted thing. I'll concede that it exists in SOME schools of Jewish thought, but that's not enough to take it into consideration for your argument.

LoL, reincarnation has been also studied scientifically, and isn't only Hinduism specifically assigned; if i'd used the Sanskrit word, 'Punarjanma', then could understand....Yet used Gilgul, which is the Hebrew version of it, with slightly different expectations.

There's a reason why we call it rebirth when talking about Buddhism, and reincarnation when talking about Hinduism. The subtle differences are necessitate different terms.

As for "scientifically", no it hasn't. It can't be.

 

[wizanda]

Establishment of the Eternal Kingdom necessitates the demise of Rome.

The Messianic age shall be the whole world will have peace, Lions will eat straw, every nation will be united, with no war in the world.... This is a whole reshaping of reality, why referenced the Satya Yuga as it is similar in concept, first the whole reality is destroyed, then rebuilt, that is the end of his prophecies, where the sun will be darkened, then we will see Yeshua again with the hosts of Heaven.

That's why the Romans killed him, and many others like him, in the first place.

The Romans didn't kill him for that; they were begged by the Sanhedrin to murder him (gospel of Nicodemus), as he challenged their authority... Pilate even said, "I am innocent of the blood of this righteous man".

So, they won't understand divine revelations, so they get sent divine revelations... is this God you speak of just a bored kid?

If we weren't full of our own Ego, when we don't know very much; then we might learn more from the people sent.

How would God be bored when it is trying to hold this whole thing together, and us in our infinite wisdom are trying to prevent that from happening.

As for "scientifically", no it hasn't. It can't be.

Ian Stevenson
http://uvamagazine.org/articles/the_science_of_reincarnation
There have been loads of cases of children with previous memories researched, here is a new site with loads of info on as well....
http://www.reincarnation-research.com/

 

[Riverwolf]

The Messianic age shall be the whole world will have peace, Lions will eat straw, every nation will be united, with no war in the world.... This is a whole reshaping of reality, why referenced the Satya Yuga as it is similar in concept, first the whole reality is destroyed, then rebuilt, that is the end of his prophecies, where the sun will be darkened, then we will see Yeshua again with the hosts of Heaven.

Yes, and he said that would happen before the people he was talking to would die. There´s no reason to think he meant anything else by "this generation".

Besides, that narrative is common throughout the world, because it´s an expression of the Year. It´s a Yuletide Song, meant to express hope and comfort on cold Winter nights, that Spring will come again.

The Romans didn't kill him for that; they were begged by the Sanhedrin to murder him (gospel of Nicodemus), as he challenged their authority... Pilate even said, "I am innocent of the blood of this righteous man".

Guilty people often plea innocence. Then again, how do we know he ever actually said that?

If we weren't full of our own Ego, when we don't know very much; then we might learn more from the people sent.

How would God be bored when it is trying to hold this whole thing together, and us in our infinite wisdom are trying to prevent that from happening.

So much for omnipotence, huh?

Ian Stevenson
http://uvamagazine.org/articles/the_science_of_reincarnation
There have been loads of cases of children with previous memories researched, here is a new site with loads of info on as well....
http://www.reincarnation-research.com/

All of which have other possible explanations, which must be completely ruled out. Not saying they´re wrong or lying; I´m saying that the scientific method is not being properly applied here, and thus this is not a science.

Free tip: never look for scientific information on a .com website; com stands for commercial. Your best bets are .gov or .edu sites.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Matthew 24:34. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

Because Christian writers back then were just as eager to believe it would still happen as Christians are today. It´s actually a well-known psychological phenomenon that when we believe something that strongly, it´s almost impossible to let go of. Even when things are clearly not consistent with the strongly-held belief, we come up with all kinds of justifications and excuses so we don´t have to give up on the thing we hold so dear (in this case, trying to reinterpret what ´generation´ "really means"). This effect is strengthened by social reinforcement. I´ve done it, too. Likely still do, in many ways.
The key word is "forever". On and on...
and on...
and on...
...
and on...
...and on...
Without the inevitability of Death, Life has no meaning. If there was no inevitability of Death, why do anything at all? Why not just sleep forever, since you can always just do those things you want some other time with no limitations? Eternal life means eternal monotany. That´s just... unimaginably torturous.
Death is the Mother of Life.

According to Scripture ' death ' is Not the mother of life. God is titled ' Heavenly Father '. The word 'father means': Life Giver.

What healthy person wants to pick the day they want to die ?
Even in our state of Not having perfectly sound heath people do Not want to die.
Many do Not tire of eating, or being with people they are very fond of being together with them.

The generation of Revelation 1:10 starts in our day or time frame. Revelation was written for our times. So, in the MAJOR fulfillment of Matthew 24:34 that generation is ours.
The generation of 70 AD/CE ended for those in Jerusalem just as Jesus foretold for them - Luke 19:43-44; Luke 21:20-21
Ours ends with the ' final signal ', so to speak, of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when ' they ' ( the powers that be ) will be saying, "Peace and Security " as a precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I disagree, entirely.
b.

.... and the woman ( Eve) said - Genesis 3:13 - that the serpent beguiled her.

... and the man ( Adam ) said - Genesis 3:12 - the woman (Eve) that whom you God gave me...... 1 Timothy 2:14

Unless an English teacher has a different reading comprehension of those verses: Eve blames the serpent - Revelation 12:9 - and Adam blames God who gave him Eve.

 

[b.finton]

Unless an English teacher has a different reading comprehension of those verses: Eve blames the serpent - Revelation 12:9 - and Adam blames God who gave him Eve.

Judge not, that you be not judged. Your understanding of the text springs from your own desire to place blame.

Both as we read and as we live, we are to seek, rather, the Kingdom of YHWH and HIS righteousness: not the righteousness of any man.

b.

 

[Mindmaster]

Based on my personal experiences in spirit working attempts --- there is obviously no hell...

If there were a heaven then I wouldn't be able to reach them right?

If there were a hell, ditto.. right?

If they were in zombie mode laying in their grave I couldn't reach them right?

Yep, sorry Christians... 3x you're out...

Perhaps they wouldn't forget to mention this fact during a casual conversation since it would be uh... Well it'd be a pretty big deal right?

Thus, I can conclude... no heaven, no hell, and probably no God or Jesus... at least in the Christian sense... Not very much in the "good book" can be true at that point... Can it? So why worry about the rest.

Feel free to think this information is the rantings of some psychopath or whatever... It's probably easier that way..

 

[b.finton]

whatever

Did you know that the pentagram was taken out of the hexagram? http://crowndiamond.org/cd/polygons.html

b.

 

[Sees]

Did you know that the pentagram was taken out of the hexagram? http://crowndiamond.org/cd/polygons.html

b.

I don't see a pentagram within a hexagram.

 

[Mindmaster]

Did you know that the pentagram was taken out of the hexagram? http://crowndiamond.org/cd/polygons.html

b.

This pentagram was created with my mad photoshop skills... Er... I didn't use a hexagram.

I don't see a pentagram within a hexagram.

Me either. But I could guess you could argue that a pentagram is two overlapping weird triangles if you look at the lines.....

 

[b.finton]

I don't see a pentagram within a hexagram.

It's clearer, here: http://crowndiamond.org/cd/5.lg.html

The progression is from 6, to 5, to 7 (a great falling away first): http://crowndiamond.org/cd/churches.html

At 7, the prospect of unity appears: http://crowndiamond.org/cd/yisrael.html

Now to be precise, the 5 is dependent on both the cubit formed by 6 and the prospect of an eventual 7.

5 would forever be incapable of reaching 7; however, 6 had within itself the gateway to all numbers, 7 most prominently.

Yikes.

b.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Judge not, that you be not judged. Your understanding of the text springs from your own desire to place blame.
Both as we read and as we live, we are to seek, rather, the Kingdom of YHWH and HIS righteousness: not the righteousness of any man.
b.

God's judgment is already recorded in Scripture.
According to Scripture who did Eve blame - Genesis 3:13; 1 Timothy 2:14 - __________
Who beguiled Eve according to God's judgment recorded at 2 Corinthians 11:3 ?________
According to God's judgment who did Adam blame at Genesis 3:12 but the woman (Eve) whom God gave to Adam ?________
How would an English teacher comprehend those verses ?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Based on my personal experiences in spirit working attempts --- there is obviously no hell...
If there were a heaven then I wouldn't be able to reach them right?
If there were a hell, ditto.. right?
If they were in zombie mode laying in their grave I couldn't reach them right?
Yep, sorry Christians... 3x you're out...
Perhaps they wouldn't forget to mention this fact during a casual conversation since it would be uh... Well it'd be a pretty big deal right?
Thus, I can conclude... no heaven, no hell, and probably no God or Jesus... at least in the Christian sense... Not very much in the "good book" can be true at that point... Can it? So why worry about the rest.
Feel free to think this information is the rantings of some psychopath or whatever... It's probably easier that way..

Sorry Christians, or sorry so-called Christians ?
There is a BIG difference between the Bible's temporary hell, and the non-biblical permanent hell just taught as being Scripture.
Especially when the Jews began mixing with the Greeks, they adopted their philosophies and theories and mixed them with Scripture although Not found in Scripture.
So, there is No burning-fire hell, but the Bible's stone-cold grave or temporary hell ( grave ) for the sleeping dead.
That is why Jesus taught unconscious ' sleep ' in death - John 11:11-14
Unconscious sleep in death is also taught in the old Hebrew Scriptures:
- Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
The Bible's hell (grave) comes to a final end when Jesus will govern over earth for a 1,000 years when even ' enemy death ' will be No more - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8

 

[wizanda]

How would an English teacher comprehend those verses ?

An English teacher, who recognized here was the top floor to Hell, where everything was corrupted..... Might notice those texts are plagiarized from other cultures; so not be so stupid, as to make a theology, based on a mythology to begin with.

As for using Paul to make an ideological claim, he can't even understand how Yeshua fulfilled prophecy properly; so why would you even bother trying to substantiate someone is wrong, by using his words.

 

[Mindmaster]

Sorry Christians, or sorry so-called Christians ?
There is a BIG difference between the Bible's temporary hell, and the non-biblical permanent hell just taught as being Scripture.
Especially when the Jews began mixing with the Greeks, they adopted their philosophies and theories and mixed them with Scripture although Not found in Scripture.
So, there is No burning-fire hell, but the Bible's stone-cold grave or temporary hell ( grave ) for the sleeping dead.
That is why Jesus taught unconscious ' sleep ' in death - John 11:11-14
Unconscious sleep in death is also taught in the old Hebrew Scriptures:
- Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
The Bible's hell (grave) comes to a final end when Jesus will govern over earth for a 1,000 years when even ' enemy death ' will be No more - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8

No hell either way... "grave sleep" was definitely covered in the zombie mode. It doesn't happen either. Feel free to think this is my beliefs only, but then realize I actually have no beliefs. Adios!