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If You Knew There Were No God

Sutekh

Priest of Odin
Premium Member
If you knew with 100% certainty that there is no god(s), would you behave any differently or live your life in a different manner? (aside from attending mass/service/etc)

Would you treat people differently?


I would personally treat people the same, and I would more or less live my life the same. I myself do not believe in an afterlife and I also do not believe in a deity at all.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
If you knew with 100% certainty that there is no god(s), would you behave any differently or live your life in a different manner? (aside from attending mass/service/etc)

No. The practices I do/want to do are not dependent on the Gods' literal existence.

If you ever went to a Shinto Shrine, would you still pray correctly even if you "knew" the enshrined Kami wasn't literal? I would.

Would you treat people differently?

The Gods have nothing to do with how I treat people.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
The Gods have nothing to do with how I treat people.

That too.

Or rather, it doesn't affect it in the manner the OP likely supposes. When one believes all things are sacred and of value - that all is gods - all things are then appreciated and honored for what they are. Pluralism and tolerance become central values.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Consirealization g my gods are all the stuff of reality, this question becomes an impossible scenario for me. In order to be certain there are no gods, reality could not exist. If reality does not exist, then I don't exist either. Thus, the conclusion could never have been reached. Impossible scenario.
Another way to take the scenario would be as coming to the realization that the things you currently consider to be gods aren't actually gods.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
That too.

Or rather, it doesn't affect it in the manner the OP likely supposes. When one believes all things are sacred and of value - that all is gods - all things are then appreciated and honored for what they are. Pluralism and tolerance become central values.
"Sacred and of value" does not necessarily mean "god".
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Another way to take the scenario would be as coming to the realization that the things you currently consider to be gods aren't actually gods.

Not for me, and each person decides what the gods mean for them.

"Sacred and of value" does not necessarily mean "god".

I didn't say it was necessary. It does for me, and for some others.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
...that makes no sense. That's kind of like saying "coming to the realization that the things you consider to be personally valuable aren't personally valuable."
Not necessarily. For many people, there are specific expectations associated to deification. The OP proposes a scenario where somehow a person has been convinced that the deification is unjustified.

That may mean that the expectations are somehow proven vain, without making the object of the deification any less real.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Not necessarily. For many people, there are specific expectations associated to deification. The OP proposes a scenario where somehow a person has been convinced that the deification is unjustified.

That may mean that the expectations are somehow proven vain, without making the object of the deification any less real.

Ah... I could see how that could work in the presence of such expectations, which hadn't occurred to me because they're generally things I try to avoid.

Because only gods are valuable? o_O

Uh... no? What?

If something has personal value to someone, then it doesn't matter whether anyone else agrees: that thing has personal value to that person. Likewise, deification is often a very personal thing, and so the same thing might be a God to one person or group, while not being so to another, and neither is necessarily wrong.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
@Jabar: I don't think those are very convincing claims at all. But leaving that aside, maybe you meant to post in some other thread? I fail to see how your post connects to the subject matter here.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Hinduism is blatantly false. First off Lord Brahma had incest with his own daughter.

I'm gonna stop you right there, because if that's all you're basing your judgment of all Hindu religions on, then it betrays a HUGE misunderstanding of every single one of them. Brahma isn't even present except maybe as a footnote in many of them, nor is he even worshiped very much (iirc, I think he's got... only two temples dedicated to him in India?)
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
And you're unwilling to entertain, for the purposes of the discussion, the idea that you might ever decide differently?

The label on the surface - the word "god" - has never been what's important. It's the substance behind it. And, if the substance behind it ever disappeared - the awe and wonder at this beautiful world we live in - I would be clinically depressed and probably commit suicide. No, that's not something I'm willing to entertain, and I'm trying not to be appalled by the suggestion.
 

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
I am not basing it on all Hindu beliefs, the only religious scriptures i approve is the Vedas which has the same beliefs as Quran. @Riverwolf I am just stating that to the Hindus who worship Brahma. You say barely? That is the most popular belief in Hindus.
 

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Hinduism is man- made there is no way it is accurate.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I am not basing it on all Hindu beliefs, the only religious scriptures i approve is the Vedas which has the same beliefs as Quran.

...how much have you actually researched the historical Vedic religion?

@Riverwolf I am just stating that to the Hindus who worship Brahma. You say barely? That is the most popular belief in Hindus.

Since when? I used to practice Shaiva Hinduism and barely ever came across passing mentions of him.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
They are not convincing points?
No, they are not.

Quite on the contrary really.

Are you brainwashed? There is no way a God would have incest with his own daughter if you are an hindi and if you are Buddhist you are even more brainwashed. Why would you pray to creation? There is one creator, Allah.

Not everyone feels the need for Islamic-shaped religion.

How are you both an Atheist and Buddhist? You are very brainwashed. @LuisDantas

It is no big deal at all. But you are not really asking for my take on it, now are you?
 
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