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If You Knew There Were No God

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
And not too mention these religions are pretty much always very sensitive to not only the culture they came from, but also sensitive to the environmental conditions of these cultures. I find it to be no coincidence that ancient cultures that grew up around a major river of importance (such as the Nile) placed such heavy importance on those rivers up to the point of them having religious significance, because their very livelihoods and existence depended on those rivers and being able to "read" them.

And it's not limited just to rivers. To this day, there are Shinto shrines that are dedicated directly to Kami that live in natural formations, like mountains or forests. And I mean literally: praying at those shrines actually has you praying right in front of the sacred place where the Kami is said to reside.

Trying to bring this topic back to the OP's topic, this is kind of why it doesn't really matter to me whether there are or aren't any "Gods" in terms of my overall outlook and behavior. While my religion is man-made, it is based on earlier indigenous religions, and so I make the effort to instill that mindset. "Belief in the Gods" is almost meaningless in my religion, like it often seems to be in those precious few indigenous traditions that exist in modernized societies.

That's another aspect of these indigenous religions; they're almost never proselytizing, almost never care about what its adherents "believe", and are almost never fully separated from the cultures of which they're part. (I say "almost" because, as with all things, there are exceptions.)
 

Shad

Veteran Member
If you knew with 100% certainty that there is no god(s), would you behave any differently or live your life in a different manner? (aside from attending mass/service/etc)

Would you treat people differently?

I already live my life as if I knew there was no God, practical atheist. There would be no changes based on having this knowledge or not.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
I am merely giving you information on the Quran. Anyhow this is a debate forum, so making someone convert would not make me at fault as i am just giving information and evidence on my religion.
Three things does not complete Truth make. Are you new to Islam? At least within the Christian sphere, I find the new kids to be like car salespeople who claim to be experts but only know the fact that turning the car on makes the car go and can't tell you the difference between an alternator and a radiator.

The Phantom of the Opera book opens up by claiming the Opera Ghost to be real. Using this logic, the Opera Ghost is real because the book about the Opera Ghost says so. Of course, any reading of history would reveal that the story is entirely fiction (and, indeed, supposed to be fiction).
And similarly, you discover the "ghost", while real, is just a guy manipulating others.
 

Demonslayer

Well-Known Member
I have no idea, as the world (or existence) would be devoid of Reason and Love.
What do you imagine such an existence would be like?

I don't believe in God and I think it's sad that you see the world as devoid of reason and love without the idea of some all powerful overlord to give it meaning. I am fortunate enough to have a tremendous amount of love in my life. Kissing my wife every morning before we go off to work is meaning enough for me.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
If you knew with 100% certainty that there is no god(s), would you behave any differently or live your life in a different manner? (aside from attending mass/service/etc)

Would you treat people differently?
I don't believe in any god, so no - not at all.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
Aristotle wrote that the Earth is a sphere around 350 B.C.

That was a LONG time before the Quran was written.
Shhhh. Let him believe Quran is teeming with "scientific miracles". ;)

The true religion is islam i have proof the following;
At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.

@Jabar please feel free to create another "Quran is 100% perfect scientific true word of God" thread, that way we can add it to the pile of debunked threads of the exact same nature.
 
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Scott C.

Just one guy
I don't believe in God and I think it's sad that you see the world as devoid of reason and love without the idea of some all powerful overlord to give it meaning. I am fortunate enough to have a tremendous amount of love in my life. Kissing my wife every morning before we go off to work is meaning enough for me.

In my opinion you have love and you find meaning in your life because there is a God, even though you do not believe in him. :)
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Three things does not complete Truth make. Are you new to Islam? At least within the Christian sphere, I find the new kids to be like car salespeople who claim to be experts but only know the fact that turning the car on makes the car go and can't tell you the difference between an alternator and a radiator.

I TOTALLY plea guilty to being like that when I was younger. It's a very easy trap to fall into when suddenly exposed to a barrage of new knowledge you've never heard before.

Heck, I still get like that from time to time. Knowledge isn't just power, but the perception of holding knowledge that no one else has feels empowering.

And similarly, you discover the "ghost", while real, is just a guy manipulating others.

Yup.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
I don't believe in God and I think it's sad that you see the world as devoid of reason and love without the idea of some all powerful overlord to give it meaning. I am fortunate enough to have a tremendous amount of love in my life. Kissing my wife every morning before we go off to work is meaning enough for me.

I'm talking about actual Love, not (solely) the type that makes for exclusive relationships seen as greater than other forms of love depending on perception (of the relationship, or person).

This 'all powerful being' that you may wish to pigeon hole me into is something I fully believe is within you (and everyone), and not over yonder. Hence, the Reason factor coming into play. I have no doubts you have a tremendous amount of love in your life. Now, imagine a world where that is absent. If you can, be specific on how your life would be different and how you would treat others.

In my theistic understanding, God = Love, Love = God.
 
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