If you take away religion, what arguments are there against homosexuality?

[Storm]

Now for a real source: The APA On Homosexuality.

 

[TheKnight]

Now for a real source: The APA On Homosexuality.

Psychology is not the only field in which to be against homosexuality.

Not that I'm against it, I'm just saying, the APA's opinions is just the opinion of one field...

 

[Storm]

Psychology is not the only field in which to be against homosexuality.

Not that I'm against it, I'm just saying, the APA's opinions is just the opinion of one field...

No, just the one the person I was addressing argued.

 

[dust1n]

Perhaps if every human turned purely homosexual for a couple of generations we would run into problems with human demographics.

Actually, we would have found a solution.

 

[dust1n]

I suppose I've stirred up some hornets in the nest..

The question is what nonreligious "arguments" are there against homosexuality..

I'm not a psycho therapist either nor have I done any studies .. My only experiecne was from graduate school studying the area and from counseling people in the early seventies..

As far as sources on the internet these might be of interest:

http://74.6.117.48/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=homosexuality+and+narcisim&fr=my-myy-s&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=homosexuality+and+narcisim&d=5010036540769576&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=6500aa9a,a14340b3&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=AC67_mfWhKUTRId5ZCfXBw--

http://www.enotes.com/psychoanalysis-encyclopedia/narcissism-an-introduction

http://www.enotalone.com/article/2618.html

I still think there are people unhappy about their sexuality.. and there are people who have decided that they cannot change or alter their orientation..well and good. There will probably always be people unhappy with themselves in some way or other..

Homosexual and Transsexual Narcissists - HealthyPlace

That link doesn't even correlate homosexuality and narcissism together. It is a guy asking about homosexual narcissists.

Also, it shows on your link there that all you did was go to Yahoo search and type "homosexual and narcissism".

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

"Philosophically, there is little difference between a narcissist who seeks to avoid his True Self (and positively to become his False Self) - and a transsexual who seeks to discard his true gender. But this similarity, though superficially appealing, is questionable."

Something 'peer-reviewed' would be nice.

 

[Pegg]

So, apart from the ludicrous statements above, are there any arguments against homosexuality that doesn’t stem from religion?

This will likely offend both homosexuals and hetrosexuals, but anal sex is unsafe as human excrement contains many harmful substances and should be avoided.

3rd world countries who do not have adequate sewage systems have high levels of disease...contaminated drinking waters kills millions every year and some people want to be intimate with anal sex???

 

[Father Heathen]

This will likely offend both homosexuals and hetrosexuals, but anal sex is unsafe as human excrement contains many harmful substances and should be avoided.

3rd world countries who do not have adequate sewage systems have high levels of disease...contaminated drinking waters kills millions every year and some people want to be intimate with anal sex???

That's what hygiene and condoms are for.

 

[arthra]

So, you have nothing but outdated pseudoscience and bigotry. Yeah, that's about what I expected.

Are you speaking for the "Staff"? I would hope not.. but if are you .. I'll not post on this thread anymore.

 

[Storm]

Are you speaking for the "Staff"? I would hope not.. but if are you .. I'll not post on this thread anymore.

No. If I were, it wouldn't be on the open forum due to the confidentiality rules, so I don't know why you even went there.

We are first and foremost members.

 

[Faithfreedom]

How about this:
It decreases the population growth thereby decreasing the amount of taxes a government can collect.
It also decreases the number of soldiers a country can draft into service.

 

[Storm]

How about this:
It decreases the population growth thereby decreasing the amount of taxes a government can collect.
It also decreases the number of soldiers a country can draft into service.

It doesn't, though. Homosexuals aren't a large enough demographic, and oh yeah, sexual minorities can breed, too.

 

[gnomon]

This will likely offend both homosexuals and hetrosexuals, but anal sex is unsafe as human excrement contains many harmful substances and should be avoided.

3rd world countries who do not have adequate sewage systems have high levels of disease...contaminated drinking waters kills millions every year and some people want to be intimate with anal sex???

Homosexuality is about more than sex.

Also, it's fact that individuals are not limited to an extreme of homo- or hetero- sexuality.

How about this:
It decreases the population growth thereby decreasing the amount of taxes a government can collect.
It also decreases the number of soldiers a country can draft into service.

History proves otherwise.

 

[Pegg]

That's what hygiene and condoms are for.

condoms have only been around for the past few decades


What did they do before then?

 

[LuisDantas]

How about this:
It decreases the population growth thereby decreasing the amount of taxes a government can collect.
It also decreases the number of soldiers a country can draft into service.

Are those even problems, even if we assume them to be actual facts?

 

[Pegg]

Homosexuality is about more than sex.

i'd be interested to know how many homosexuals do not have sex

Also, it's fact that individuals are not limited to an extreme of homo- or hetero- sexuality.

im not sure what you mean here...can you elaborate?

 

[gnomon]

i'd be interested to know how many homosexuals do not have sex



im not sure what you mean here...can you elaborate?

I'm saying it's not an either/or situation when it comes to human sexuality.

Both human sexual attraction and human sexual development are spectrums. Simply put, there are people attracted to male and female as well as the existence of intersex humans.

 

[LuisDantas]

It is an argument against having the condition. It would/should cause one to view them, as you said, with sympathy. But it also should produce a negative view of the condition itself because of its undesirability.

"Condition"? Homosexuality is not a condition, not any more than desiring to live among loved ones can possibly be.

Sure, it can be painful at times. But calling tha a "condition" is really pushing it well beyond what one could reasonably desire to.

 

[Storm]

i'd be interested to know how many homosexuals do not have sex

Probably about the same percentage as other orientations.

I'm bi. I haven't had sex in over 3 years, and I haven't had sex with a woman in more than I care to count. I'm still bi.

 

[Faithfreedom]

Are those even problems, even if we assume them to be actual facts?

Well, everyone needs money (except naked Sadhus of India, etc) even the government. One less baby is one less future taxable citizen and one less potential draftee to press into armed services to defend the country.

 

[Faithfreedom]

What did they do before then?

...er...soap and water?