Subduction Zone
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An oldie but a goodie. 2009 the year that Ray Comfort won the prize named after his creation:
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If your holy book fails to match reality ...
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Subduction Zone
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More and more modern translations are using the proper translation.
Subduction Zone
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Ray Comfort may be the man responsible for Cameron's religious lunacy.
Yes well. Apart from the fact it made up hatred.
masoretic is from 10 century AD...CHRISTIANS USED THE SEPTUAGINT...
sooda
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I knew Cameron had gone off the rails years ago, but I had never heard of the crocoduck.
Crocoduck - Wikipedia
Yes, but the original LXX was just a translation of the Torah, not the whole Tanakh, and even the original is lost now and has been for a long, long time. Early Christians used the LXX because they were Greek speaking and mostly from non-Jewish backgrounds. The modern Christian tradition uses the Masoretic text and in fact many of them use Critical Editions, so they take from many different texts as to which they think is the most reliable and have been doing this since the KJV was published. The Orthodox Church still uses the LXX, but no Protestant tradition uses this edition.
I SURE WOULD NOT call ray comfort prominent....i would wipe the floor with him...
the septuagint was a greek translation.....the aramaic or hebrew were lost in the wars with the greeks.....there was only the septuagint until 10 century..
if christians are using masoretic how did gospels come into existence before 10th century ad..
This is false. The LXX was commissioned to be translated from the Hebrew. It could not have been translated if there were no Hebrew edition to be translated from. It was created for those who were part of the Hellenic world who could not understand the original; that is, Greek-speaking lay Jews who were ignorant of Hebrew.
sooda
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Is this correct?
For those new to the subject, the Septuagint (abbreviated LXX) is a Greek translation of the Old Testament (or Hebrew Bible) created about two centuries before Christ in Alexandria, Egypt.
The name comes from the tradition that 70 or 72 scholars were locked up in individual rooms and they all produced identical translations, which was a way of making the LXX seem as inspired as the Hebrew Bible in Hebrew.
First, there was not really a Septuagint, as much as there were Septuagintal texts. We have several different LXX textual traditions.
There is no one LXX. Jews in the Greek speaking world translated the Bible. Some places in the New Testament quote from the LXX and not from the Hebrew Bible (yes, I know you wonder how we know that, but that’s a story for another answer).
The LXX is not just the Torah (first five books of the Bible), but the TaNaK (the Torah - Law; the Nevi’im - the Prophets; the Ketuvim - the Writings) plus sundry Second Temple texts (aka Apocrypha), the exact number varied from copy to copy.
The Protestants and the Jews base their OT canon (authoritative sacred book list) off of the Hebrew Bible. Catholics and Orthodox base theirs off of the Septuagint.
https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Sept...at-it-was-completed-before-the-birth-of-Jesus
For those new to the subject, the Septuagint (abbreviated LXX) is a Greek translation of the Old Testament (or Hebrew Bible) created about two centuries before Christ in Alexandria, Egypt.
The name comes from the tradition that 70 or 72 scholars were locked up in individual rooms and they all produced identical translations, which was a way of making the LXX seem as inspired as the Hebrew Bible in Hebrew.
First, there was not really a Septuagint, as much as there were Septuagintal texts. We have several different LXX textual traditions.
There is no one LXX. Jews in the Greek speaking world translated the Bible. Some places in the New Testament quote from the LXX and not from the Hebrew Bible (yes, I know you wonder how we know that, but that’s a story for another answer).
The LXX is not just the Torah (first five books of the Bible), but the TaNaK (the Torah - Law; the Nevi’im - the Prophets; the Ketuvim - the Writings) plus sundry Second Temple texts (aka Apocrypha), the exact number varied from copy to copy.
The Protestants and the Jews base their OT canon (authoritative sacred book list) off of the Hebrew Bible. Catholics and Orthodox base theirs off of the Septuagint.
https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Sept...at-it-was-completed-before-the-birth-of-Jesus
no aramaic or hebrew text survived the greek invasion....greek was the business language of jude for a couple centuries until macabee revolt....there was no non greek translation left....
there is no surviving jewish text until 10th century.......except what was found at dead sea...the dead sea were out of circulation from about 70ad until 1947..
what hebrew bible do protestant use..there was none until 10th century..
show a copy of jewish text prior to 10th century..
what qualifications does
Travis Hutchinson, Pastor, Professor, Surfing Instructor..have that makes him an expert...this postb is just opinion...no citations no references..i call bs..
Desert Snake
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The books actually mean different things, it's contextual.
So, like me, I don't "know" the books, doesn't mean they aren't valuable etc.
So, like me, I don't "know" the books, doesn't mean they aren't valuable etc.
I'm not saying that there is one. That's not my point. But where do you think the Masoretic text came from in the first place? Yes, the older copies aren't available now.
Because there were no Protestants until the 16th century.