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Ignorance on the Left hand path and magic. Avoiding the type of people that commit sick things.

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Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
My point is that almost nothing in the Western Left Hand Path is found outside of the mainstream of Western thought and mainstream Western society.

Is that why the Baphomet statue in Oklahoma, or the prayer in Arizona, or the satanic school books in Florida went over so well? Is that why satanists have to keep their religion private, refrain from sporting pentagram or other satanic jewelry on the clock, and were actively hunted on a national scale as recently as the 90s?

There isn't all that much that separates it from the Western "RHP". Both have their dogmas, both view humans as having some special importance (at least with Setianism and some other forms of theistic Satanism and Luciferianism), both are against physical/actual/objective antinomianism (i.e. they would object in totality to things such as bestiality, necrophilia, cannibalism, murder, etc.) and both have some version or degree of dualism.

Yes there is dualism, and no, we feel no need to shock people by being heterodox. But to say the left and right are similar is embarrassingly ignorant. For example, any morality or dogma held by us is going to be enforced by us,decided by us in the first place. I am only dogmatic towards my personal, individualized religion, and that is categorically different from the dogma of Catholicism. Also, claiming that you accept heterodox practices hardly suggests you actually do it. It's the spook fest ONA type stuff, we know you're not rolling around in corpses so stop pretending you are! The WLHPer will do it if they want, and not if they are no benefit to it. I also don't think accepting the nature of human intelligence is the same as putting humans on a pedestal. I mean say we have the ability to use our superior intelligence to save a species or fix climate change. Would you really just sit there repeating "we aren't special, we aren't capable, we are pure ****"? Or would you take advantage of it? If your loved one was chocking would you use your understanding of the human body to perform cpr, or let them die because all other animals would?

LaVey, Aquino or abstract figures such as Set are treated with pretty much unquestioning reverence, that they have become cult figures.

Uh, what? Most people barely respect LaVey these days, and I see non Laveyans openly disagree constantly. I also see plenty of debate with Aquino, especially if you actually read ToS. Material. Hell, Don Webb put out a book with both their AL commentaries, the two of which differ and have been widely read. As for Set or similar figures, they foundational represent something completely contrary to the picture you paint. You may be confused by the fact that some of us use these beings as role models, as they represent the attainment we desire. This is still not the same as a cult following, and actually is psychologically beneficial in goal setting.

Setianism itself, at least the Temple of Set version, is basically the Western LHP equivalent of Islam since it is based on alleged channeled messages from an entity calling itself Set, which bears little appearance to the ancient Egyptian deity (which, by the way, implicitly entails accepting such false Biblical details such as the Exodus and the Jew's sojourn in Egypt). I don't see much questioning of Aquino's alleged channeled messages. Why is that?

Lol wait, how does Setianism require exodus to be true? I've literally never heard that. Setianism isn't a neo Egyptian religion, it is a satanic religion with an Egyptian lens and inspiration. Even the most basic articles on the ToS website explain this. I also think it's silly to say the path is based on a channeled message, unless you take all religions literally at face value.

You are absolutely and wholly ignorant on this topic, and you have objectively proven such. Please shut it and stop intentionally misrepresenting our position.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I said "basically" . . . look this is not that difficult, Eastern LHP is not the same as Western LHP, if you are not seeking to consciously preserve and strengthen one’s isolate consciousness against the objective universe then you are not on the Western LHP. There is no 'proximity' to any external deity or merging with one.
I don't care about your definition of what the LHP is. I've pointed out the flaws with it multiple times, and I'm tired of repeating myself.
This is a LHP DIR . . . meaning Western Left Hand Path Directory . . . meaning 'other' religions need to accept our beliefs when discussing here
Yeh yeah, we all know there is a plethora of Hindu sects, but they all fall into one of two categories
1) merging with / atoning with the Absolute / Brahman
2) relating to the Absolute / Beloved through proximity

Neither of these are the Western Left Hand Path
No, this is not a "Western LHP" DIR. It just says "Left-Hand Path Religions DIR". I'm LHP, so I have a place in this DIR and I don't have to accept your views, especially when you're misrepresenting my views and the views of others. We can agree to disagree, but that's as much as you'll get out of me.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
You are absolutely and wholly ignorant on this topic, and you have objectively proven such. Please shut it and stop intentionally misrepresenting our position.
Stop your whining and your hypocrisy. It's very sad to witness. You don't have any right to try to drive me out of this DIR. This is my DIR, too. If you don't like me being here, put me on ignore.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
By the way, I'm also a Satanist so if you manage to get the DIR split, I can still post in the Satanism DIR. Oops. Guess you can't get rid of me.
 

Sutekh

Priest of Odin
Premium Member
By the way, I'm also a Satanist.


Out of curiosity if you consider yourself to be a "Philosophical Satanist" why do you have your disdains for LaVey? Whether or not you may consider him a charlatan, I as a matter of fact consider him to be a genius. Do you tend to have the Satanic Temples philosophical beliefs?
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Please Refrain from Personal Attacks (Rule 1) and Trolling and Bullying (Rule 3)
**Thread Moved to Religious Debates**
 

ThirtyThree

Well-Known Member
Adults are going to do as they see fit, and in my option, the "left hand path" is what one makes of it. Writing that, for example, "Satan does not want you to murder virgins for Him" is ridiculous. Perhaps Satan might desire such a thing? Who would know, unless they claim to have a personal line of communication with Satan? If even they believe Satan exists?

Murder is illegal by State law. Adults know this, so why should the "left hand path" dictate these laws must be followed? Obedience to State law is a matter of decision, is it not? Adults know what will happen if they are broken?

Is it against the LHP to sacrifice animals? Is being a sociopath also against the LHP? How about narcissism? Supreme selfishness? How about leave matters of law up to the State and matters of faith and philosophy to religion?
 

ThirtyThree

Well-Known Member
No, but it might be against some Satanic belief systems.

I personally see nothing wrong with many forms of animal sacrifice.

Perhaps so. However, the idea that someone is not "LHP" because society might consider them "evil" seems ignorant?
 

Kapalika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Perhaps so. However, the idea that someone is not "LHP" because society might consider them "evil" seems ignorant?

It's ironic at best.

Unfortunately knowledge of what the Left Hand Path has always been and really is is not a requirement for using the label. Many Luciferians, Satanists and others who use the label are actually closer to humanism or objectivism than anything truly Left Hand. Nothing in their philosophies is unique and has been done before in western philosophy even the illumination and self deification aspects. Dressing it up as anything else is just dressing it up.
 

ThirtyThree

Well-Known Member
It's ironic at best.

Unfortunately knowledge of what the Left Hand Path has always been and really is is not a requirement for using the label. Many Luciferians, Satanists and others who use the label are actually closer to humanism or objectivism than anything truly Left Hand. Nothing in their philosophies is unique and has been done before in western philosophy even the illumination and self deification aspects. Dressing it up as anything else is just dressing it up.
When the majority embraces what was once considered "edgy", due that once "edgy" matter cease to be"left hand"? Satanism certainly has lost its "edgy" classification for most. At least Atheism dressing itself as Satanism has...
 

Kapalika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
When the majority embraces what was once considered "edgy", due that once "edgy" matter cease to be"left hand"? Satanism certainly has lost its "edgy" classification for most. At least Atheism dressing itself as Satanism has...

Being edgy isn't what the Left Hand Path is about.

Originally, 1,400+ years ago, the Left Hand Path was mostly Tantric. It was called Vamachara or "left hand attainment/way". The Left Hand Path in Hinduism and Buddhism is still practiced today. Those who use the term as Satanists or Luciferians almost never understand the origins or real meaning of the term or what it stands for.

I say 1,400+ years ago as I'm not sure how far back it actually goes, but the oldest example most people are aware of goes that far back, like the Kapalikas who supposedly killed and ate people in the name of Bhairava. They would murder Brahmins and use their skulls as kapalas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vamachara
 

ThirtyThree

Well-Known Member
Being edgy isn't what the Left Hand Path is about.

Originally, 1,400+ years ago, the Left Hand Path was mostly Tantric. It was called Vamachara or "left hand attainment/way". The Left Hand Path in Hinduism and Buddhism is still practiced today. Those who use the term as Satanists or Luciferians almost never understand the origins or real meaning of the term or what it stands for.

I say 1,400+ years ago as I'm not sure how far back it actually goes, but the oldest example most people are aware of goes that far back, like the Kapalikas who supposedly killed and ate people in the name of Bhairava. They would murder Brahmins and use their skulls as kapalas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vamachara
Indeed. However, I am not intending to reference the legitimate version of Left Hand Path. Did you not notice my quotes?
 

Kapalika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Indeed. However, I am not intending to reference the legitimate version of Left Hand Path. Did you not notice my quotes?

I didn't apparently, my bad. As for what they think, I don't know. I used to be into that and at the end of the day it's either just glorified hedonism or some kind of self deification/empowerment thing thats been part of a lot of occult and mystical things for ages. nothings really new. without the heterodoxy and taboo practices its little if anything Left Hand Path.
 
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