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74x12
Well-Known Member
You know who else felt the bern? Bernie supporters when he burned them for Hillary in the primaries.
Not sure why anyone would trust him again.
I don't think I will ever understand how people see fit to make such comparisons.
There is literally no resemblance, no contact point.
There is literally no resemblance, no contact point.
Denial is a terrible thing.
It's pretty clear.
It's making fun of people that think socialism is viable, as we watch a socialist nation destroy itself.
It's sad on multiple levels. But also truth, because the same people (Bernie supporters/socialism supporters) even though presented with evidence that is current and undeniable, is denied nonetheless.
Hence its funny.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
You do realize that there is more than one democratic socialist country in the world, right?
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/democratic-socialist-countries/
Also, the current problems in Venezuela are less to do with social democratic policies and more to do with the legitimacy of Maduro's election and the alleged crimes committed by his government.
The majority of those are not socialist countires.
They are capitalist, with social programs.
So off with ye socialist apologetics!
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And you don't even know what socialism is. Thanks for playing. Johnny has some ice part I g gifts for you.
Apparently you don't. Or socialist can't agree on what it is or isn't a socialist state (not surprising lol)
Check @ImmortalFlame article above.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Again, you do realize that socialism and capitalism aren't mutually exclusive, right?
Do you even know what "democratic socialist" means?
Komori
Member
They 100% are. He's right. Socialism as defined by Marx is worker ownership of the means of production. It's not merely when the government does some stuff.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Except socialism existed before Marx. What Marx came to define was a variation of socialism commonly referred to as Marxism. Democratic socialism is when the means of production are controlled or regulated socially through democratic process, not merely owned by the workforce. This is not necessarily inconsistent with a capitalist economy. Particularly with modern democratic socialists who actually believe in a mix of capitalism and socialism.
What's more, by that logic, Venezuela is not a socialist country, since it is a democratic socialist country.
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Komori
Member
Marxism is not a form of socialism; it's a mode of economic analysis. Even the socialists before Marx were opposed to private property. It's only recently that the term 'socialism' has shifted to merely mean government programs.
"Democratic socialism" is a tautology since socialism necessarily must be democratic and is the most perfect form of democracy, namely direct democracy and workplace democracy. People who "believe in a mix of capitalism and socialism" are not socialists. They're just social democrats who have no idea what they're talking about.
Yes they are mutually exclusive economically.
The majority of what you call demcratic socialist countries are just capitalist countries with lots social programs. Western Europe for example.
Daemon Sophic
Avatar in flux
Don’t panic. Good people are even now working to get you out of this bubble that you are trapped in.
Remain calm.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Yes, they are examples of democratic socialist countries - the type of ideas espoused by Bernie Sanders.
So, again, how is the comparison made by your cartoon apt?
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
I think you're being hung up on literal definitions rather than the broader concepts implied by their usage. "Democratic socialist" is not a tautology, because it is a label applied to a particular school of political and economic thought - it is not merely a literal combination of the ideas of democracy and socialism. Like it or not, there are many people who adopt the label "democratic socialist" to mean "adopting socialist policies whilst not necessarily adopting classical socialism".
