I'm Developing An Unhealthy Sense That.....

[Subduction Zone]

Im not denying anything. But people getting these cars and thinking they can nap, be drunk, be in the backseat, or otherwise inattentive it seems we may need to require owners of these cars to take safety courses so they know they can't be doing such things.

And once again, that is why fully automated cars are needed. One could be drunk in the backseat without being a threat to others. People, not everyone of course, are going to drink and drive. That is one worry that I would have sometimes driving late at night. I would be careful out there, but there was always the possibility of someone that had overdone it more than a bit could be coming around the next corner.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Better batteries would be nice. And there is a promising candidate out there. But they already have more than enough cruising range for the average commuter. And more cars will mean more mechanics. Standard economics will take over.

Not all of us are average commuters.
And they have mechanics for these cars, but they have to be manufacturer certified, meaning you're most likely having to go to the dealership. These cars aren't like cars from the 50s that anyone can basically work on, or even from 2000 where you could still easily do most without any specialized equipment or computers. Thata becoming rarer and harder, and mom amd pop shop mechanics are being left out with these electric cars.
John Deere is also hideous when it comes to this, rigging things to drag farmers to their businesses if the farmer needs equipment fixed (to the point Deere will not release anything related to servicing and maintenance and I believe will not even sell parts to people).

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not all of us are average commuters.
And they have mechanics for these cars, but they have to be manufacturer certified, meaning you're most likely having to go to the dealership. These cars aren't like cars from the 50s that anyone can basically work on, or even from 2000 where you could still easily do most without any specialized equipment or computers. Thata becoming rarer and harder, and mom amd pop shop mechanics are being left out with these electric cars.
John Deere is also hideous when it comes to this, rigging things to drag farmers to their businesses if the farmer needs equipment fixed (to the point Deere will not release anything related to servicing and maintenance and I believe will not even sell parts to people).

John Deere gets away with this because they do not face the same regulations that car manufacturers do. Car manufacturers release their repair manual because there was a lawsuit in one state that would have required them to provide lifetime servicing if they did not do so. Farmers should have tried the same tactic.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And once again, that is why fully automated cars are needed. One could be drunk in the backseat without being a threat to others. People, not everyone of course, are going to drink and drive. That is one worry that I would have sometimes driving late at night. I would be careful out there, but there was always the possibility of someone that had overdone it more than a bit could be coming around the next corner.

Inattentive drivers are a danger. A drunk driver is a drunk driver, it doesn't matter what kind of car. Sleeping behind the wheel is sleeping behind the wheel regardless the car.
Driving is a privilege, not a right, and it's a privilege that requires responsibility and being present and attentive to the road.

 

[sun rise]

He should be be jailed then for his brazen willingness to endanger others.

I was thinking of locking up his cash in a trust so he does not have the money or the credit ability to buy more. But we can combine them with some time in the slammer followed by probation with a trust fund.

 

[Brickjectivity]

He should be be jailed then for his brazen willingness to endanger others.

"Reckless endangerment" is the charge I think.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Inattentive drivers are a danger. A drunk driver is a drunk driver, it doesn't matter what kind of car. Sleeping behind the wheel is sleeping behind the wheel regardless the car.
Driving is a privilege, not a right, and it's a privilege that requires responsibility and being present and attentive to the road.

Are you reading my posts?

Once again, a drunk driver is not a threat in a fully automated car. It is safer with him in the back seat than you are when you drive your own car perfectly sober and well rested. Self driving cars are extremely reliable. Very rare accidents are the only thing preventing them from becoming a reality today:

Automated Vehicles for Safety | NHTSA.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

John Deere gets away with this because they do not face the same regulations that car manufacturers do. Car manufacturers release their repair manual because there was a lawsuit in one state that would have required them to provide lifetime servicing if they did not do so. Farmers should have tried the same tactic.

Deere gets away with it because of bs clauses on the terms agreement. Amd car manufacturers generally do not release repair guides to the public. Hardly any company does. They want us going to those they approve of and will make money with. It's the same with phones, where they have become very difficult to repair and manufacturers will not release documents related to maintenance and repairs.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Are you reading my posts?

Once again, a drunk driver is not a threat in a fully automated car. It is safer with him in the back seat than you are when you drive your own car perfectly sober and well rested. Self driving cars are extremely reliable. Very rare accidents are the only thing preventing them from becoming a reality today:

Automated Vehicles for Safety | NHTSA.

And if something goes wrong? This is why drivers must be sober and paying attention. Robots are robots, but they aren't perfect. The last thing we need is some idiot thinking everything is good to go and failing to notice warnings signs of a failing system.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Deere gets away with it because of bs clauses on the terms agreement. Amd car manufacturers generally do not release repair guides to the public. Hardly any company does. They want us going to those they approve of and will make money with. It's the same with phones, where they have become very difficult to repair and manufacturers will not release documents related to maintenance and repairs.

Not so:

You Gotta Fight For Your Right to Repair Your Car

But all that might be changing. Automotive Right to Repair just became a nationwide policy, thanks almost exclusively to voters in the state of Massachusetts.


At its heart, Automotive Right to Repair is about consumer choice. As an owner, you should have the right to repair your car wherever you want: at the manufacturer repair center, at the trusty corner mechanic, or in your driveway.

At least, that’s what voters in Massachusetts thought. Back in 2012, they passed the first Automotive Right to Repair Bill in the nation—a law designed to level the playing field between dealers and independent repair shops in Massachusetts. Last month, the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, the Association of Global Automakers, the Automotive Aftermarket Industry Association (AAIA), and the Coalition for Automotive Repair Equality (CARE) announced the Massachusetts law would become the basis of a national right to repair policy.


The announcement (or MOU, as they are calling it) is unexpected, but it’s not exactly surprising. Right to Repair is a hugely populist issue. When it came in front of Massachusetts voters as a direct ballot measure, Right to Repair passed with 86 percent of the vote. Manufacturers likely saw which way the wind was blowing and decided to go national—while they could still hammer out a deal on their terms.


The result: Beginning in model year 2018, all automakers will be required to use a standard, non-proprietary interface so mechanics can access a car’s service data. Manufacturers must also sell both repair tools and service information at a “fair and reasonable price.” Of course, there are some caveats: Information that manufacturers deem to be a trade secret or proprietary is exempt from the agreement. A five-person panel will settle disputes between parties, should a manufacturer overcharge or refuse information.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And if something goes wrong? This is why drivers must be sober and paying attention. Robots are robots, but they aren't perfect. The last thing we need is some idiot thinking everything is good to go and failing to notice warnings signs of a failing system.

No, no no. Humans can and do make mistakes even when sober. If all cars were self driving with the current technology available the accident rate would drop to almost zero. Cars that are 100% self driving are safer than yours. If a person has to intervene that is a failure and those are exceedingly rare. It would be safer to allow them on cars especially since people will get drunk. If a person convicted of drunk driving more than once was required to have that sort of car that he could not drive he would be far safer than if allowed to get behind the wheel even with an interlock device.

 

[ChristineM]

You want an ugly electric car, try this for size

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, no no. Humans can and do make mistakes even when sober. If all cars were self driving with the current technology available the accident rate would drop to almost zero. Cars that are 100% self driving are safer than yours. If a person has to intervene that is a failure and those are exceedingly rare. It would be safer to allow them on cars especially since people will get drunk. If a person convicted of drunk driving more than once was required to have that sort of car that he could not drive he would be far safer than if allowed to get behind the wheel even with an interlock device.

Even aircraft must have attentive pilots despite a pretty good autopilot feature.

Not so:

Yes, so.
Farmers Are Having to Hack Their Own Tractors Just to Make Repairs
How to Buy an Automotive Repair Manual

Professional garages pay anywhere form $3,000 to $5,000 dollars a year to use a professional grade information system which services most cars. These companies include: Mitchell1, Alldata, Chilton and Haynes.

We have Chiltons and Hanes because its not likely we can get an authentic OEM repair manual.

 

[Suave]

Tesla is the car for idiots.
COPS: Motorist Driving TESLA 82 MPH -- While Asleep...
Could it be that the kind of person who drives them is
the kind who admires the likes of Tesla's creator?
I know it's not fair to seem them all as blithering idiots.
Still....

Because I own Tesla stock as well as I admire Elon Musk, I must respectfully disagree with the notion of Tesla owners being idiots.

 

[Suave]

I like the idea of ending the lavish tax subsidies
propping up Tesla's pricey toys.

As an owner of Tesla stock, I must respectfully disagree with the notion of ending tax subsidies in order to have Tesla vehicles priced at full market value.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Even aircraft must have attentive pilots despite a pretty good autopilot feature.

Yes, so.
Farmers Are Having to Hack Their Own Tractors Just to Make Repairs
How to Buy an Automotive Repair Manual

We have Chiltons and Hanes because its not likely we can get an authentic OEM repair manual.

Even aircraft must have attentive pilots despite a pretty good autopilot feature.

Yes, so.
Farmers Are Having to Hack Their Own Tractors Just to Make Repairs
How to Buy an Automotive Repair Manual

We have Chiltons and Hanes because its not likely we can get an authentic OEM repair manual.

I do not disagree that this is a problem for farmers. The problem is that farmers are a relatively small group so it is hard for them to get the specialized legislation that they need when they are going against major manufacturers with huge budgets for lobbyists and money to pay campaigning politicians. They are at a distinct disadvantage.

Aircraft flying is far more complex than driving a car. That is why almost anyone can and does get a driving license. It is much harder to get a pilot's license. Their AI is going to be more complex as well. It is not the best comparison.

 

[We Never Know]

No, no no. Humans can and do make mistakes even when sober. If all cars were self driving with the current technology available the accident rate would drop to almost zero. Cars that are 100% self driving are safer than yours. If a person has to intervene that is a failure and those are exceedingly rare. It would be safer to allow them on cars especially since people will get drunk. If a person convicted of drunk driving more than once was required to have that sort of car that he could not drive he would be far safer than if allowed to get behind the wheel even with an interlock device.

Are self-driving cars safer?
(Government Technology) At the moment, self-driving cars have a higher rate of accidents compared to human-driven cars, but the injuries are less serious. On average, there are 9.1 self-driving car accidents per million miles driven, while the same rate is 4.1 crashes per million miles for regular vehicles.

25+ Intriguing Self-Driving Car Statistics You Should Know.

 

[Subduction Zone]

As an owner of Tesla stock, I must respectfully disagree with the notion of ending tax subsidies in order to have Tesla vehicles priced at full market value.

It is nice to hear an unbiased opinion

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are self-driving cars safer?
(Government Technology) At the moment, self-driving cars have a higher rate of accidents compared to human-driven cars, but the injuries are less serious. On average, there are 9.1 self-driving car accidents per million miles driven, while the same rate is 4.1 crashes per million miles for regular vehicles.

25+ Intriguing Self-Driving Car Statistics You Should Know.

And as that article points out even though the accident rate is higher in self-driving cars they are at fault very rarely. They tend to get rear ended more often since they obey traffic lights. Right now quite a few of us step on the gas when we see a yellow light in an attempt to sneak through the intersection. One or two cars going through on red is a frequent sight. An automatically driven car will slow down and stop. As a result their greatest number of accidents are being rear ended. The second highest category also seems to be the results of other drivers.

My claim was not fully accurate. If I had said they had a lower percentage of accidents where they are fault I would have been 100% correct. People will have to adjust to cars that actually obey the laws.

 

[Suave]

No, no no. Humans can and do make mistakes even when sober. If all cars were self driving with the current technology available the accident rate would drop to almost zero. Cars that are 100% self driving are safer than yours. If a person has to intervene that is a failure and those are exceedingly rare. It would be safer to allow them on cars especially since people will get drunk. If a person convicted of drunk driving more than once was required to have that sort of car that he could not drive he would be far safer than if allowed to get behind the wheel even with an interlock device.

Per Tesla's website: "All new Tesla cars have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances. The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat.

All you will need to do is get in and tell your car where to go. If you don’t say anything, the car will look at your calendar and take you there as the assumed destination or just home if nothing is on the calendar. Your Tesla will figure out the optimal route, navigate urban streets (even without lane markings), manage complex intersections with traffic lights, stop signs and roundabouts, and handle densely packed freeways with cars moving at high speed. When you arrive at your destination, simply step out at the entrance and your car will enter park seek mode, automatically search for a spot and park itself. A tap on your phone summons it back to you.

The future use of these features without supervision is dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving capabilities are introduced, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates."