I'm pretty sure there's no god now

[ImmortalFlame]

I said "everything that I was experiencing could NOT be a coincidence" .. that refers to my observations of the universe, the fact that I'm alive and aware of it.

And what is coincidental about that? Do you know what "coincidence" means?

You can suggest that there is nothing coincidental about it, and we 'just happen to be' for no good reason, but as I say, the chances of that is practically 0%. To claim it's a pure fluke or a process of evolution did it with no underlying reason is unbelievable.

Since you still have yet to explain what the coincidence is, everything you've written here is jibberish. Since you failed to answers my questions, here they are again:

WHAT coincidence are you referring to?
HOW is it a coincidence?
WHAT are you suggesting it means?

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

Suit yourself .. you obviously have all the answers, even if you don't wish to share them with us

I don't have all the answers, but the point is, I don't need to. It doesn't help your point. You're asking these questions as a way of arguing a point. That's argument from ignorance.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I don't have all the answers, but the point is, I don't need to. It doesn't help your point. You're asking these questions as a way of arguing a point. That's argument from ignorance.

You assume an argument from ignorance .. I haven't MADE any argument, yet

 

[thevoiceofgod]

Well now you're asking questions. Are you trying to make a point by asking these questions? Or are you trying to learn about the brain?

I could answer your questions about the brain, but I feel like that'll just lead to another tangent. I'm willing to bet your own default answer to your question is "goddidit". That's what God is in your mind. He's a God of the Gaps. You see the brain, you notice it's complexity, you're so bewildered about it and have such a lack of understanding about it, that the things you don't understand about it, you fill in your holes of ignorance with "goddidit".

As for me answer your question about how the brain, it doesn't matter. Whether I have an answer or not, I don't need to answer you. Because whether I can or can't answer your question, it won't help your point regardless. What YOU need to do is learn to say these three words: "I. Don't. Know!". And you leave it at that. Invoking God through an argument from ignorance fallacy is not an argument.

The mind is not the brain. The brain is nothing but an illusion that is formed from the processing of information, which is the mind. In other words, the mind is where all information is stored, ready to be processed into visible and invisible illusions with emotions, senses, motion, gravity, space, time, etc.

 

[muhammad_isa]

And what is coincidental about that? Do you know what "coincidence" means?

If you're going to be so pedantic, it probably isn't worth continuing..
Clearly, you feel it is 'not surprising' that the universe and all it contains exists and behaves at it does.

You know what they say .. "familiarity breeds contempt".

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

You assume an argument from ignorance .. I haven't MADE any argument, yet

Then your question about the brain was irrelevant to what we were talking about.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

If you're going to be so pedantic, it probably isn't worth continuing..

In what way am I being pedantic? Do you understand what a coincidence is or not? If you do, then you should have no problem answering my three questions.

Clearly, you feel it is 'not surprising' that the universe and all it contains exists and behaves at it does.

Why should it be? What is surprising about the claim "the Universe functions the way it does"?

You know what they say .. "familiarity breeds contempt".

Are you going to answer my questions or are you going to continue to evade them because you lack the intellectual honesty to do so?

 

[muhammad_isa]

..Are you going to answer my questions or are you going to continue to evade them ..

It seems hot enough .. maybe discuss later, if you wish..

 

[SkepticThinker]

The mind is not the brain. The brain is nothing but an illusion that is formed from the processing of information, which is the mind. In other words, the mind is where all information is stored, ready to be processed into visible and invisible illusions with emotions, senses, motion, gravity, space, time, etc.

The brain is a very real thing. It is observable and measurable. In fact, many, if not most, emotional responses can be observed and measured in the brain. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about.

 

[muhammad_isa]

The brain is a very real thing. It is observable and measurable. In fact, many, if not most, emotional responses can be observed and measured in the brain. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about.

Of course it's real
Nobody is suggesting otherwise.
Naturally, a person who studies the science of the brain can observe and measure all sorts of phenomenon. That's because the brain is physical, and has things to measure

The mind is NOT physical, and can only be 'observed' when it causes physical activity, such as emotions that trigger all sorts of body reactions eg. increasing a hormone like adrenaline

 

[thevoiceofgod]

The brain is a very real thing. It is observable and measurable. In fact, many, if not most, emotional responses can be observed and measured in the brain. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about.

I know you don't know what I'm talking about. If you listen to me, I can teach you how we were created.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Normally, I just consider myself non-religious, and my stance on there being a god is the same as the likes of the Tooth Fairy, leprechauns, ghosts etc... There's a lack of evidence, therefore, I simply have a lack of belief. But now after watching this video, I'm thinking to myself "Nope! No way there can be a god. He's just not there!" because this is just effed up! My stance on god goes from simply being a lack of belief, to pretty much disbelief!

The video is raw footage of crocodiles attacking a zebra. Now we all know predators constantly kill prey in nature, and that in it of it self puts the notion of a benevolent god in question. But this video is so much worse than that! The crocodiles tear it's stomach out while it's still alive! And it walks around for a few moments while it's intestines are hanging out!

Now I already know gory kills like this happen in nature. But actually seeing it is a whole different thing! As much as I like watching nature videos and learning about the wild, I find this video unbearable! And even knowing in advance that the Universe and nature is harsh and very indifferent, I still can barely watch this!

Edit: When I'm mentioning god in this post, by that, I mean a benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient god.

WARNING! GRAPHIC VIDEO!

To the Abrahamic theists out there, in your heart of hearts! Why would a god allow stuff like this to happen?! Consider that harshness like this in the wild happens daily! It's a horrible way to die, and it happens daily!

None of us get out of here alive, and it's probably not going to be very pleasant...

And WE recognize that, we feel for the zebra, each other, - it's not that s**t happens , but that s**t matters to us. For me, that's an argument for meaning, purpose, God.... not random chance, meaninglessness, atheism

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

And WE recognize that, we feel for the zebra, each other, - it's not that s**t happens , but that s**t matters to us. For me, that's an argument for meaning, purpose, God.... not random chance, meaninglessness, atheism

So then God deliberately causes suffering just because he wants to?

 

[thevoiceofgod]

So then God deliberately causes suffering just because he wants to?

There's a reason for God creating the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It hid the tree of life until God used His saints to testify to His knowledge and learn what the tree of life means.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I know you don't know what I'm talking about. If you listen to me, I can teach you how we were created.

How about you just explain what you're talking about?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Of course it's real
Nobody is suggesting otherwise.
Naturally, a person who studies the science of the brain can observe and measure all sorts of phenomenon. That's because the brain is physical, and has things to measure

The mind is NOT physical, and can only be 'observed' when it causes physical activity, such as emotions that trigger all sorts of body reactions eg. increasing a hormone like adrenaline

If you think the mind is not physical, or connected to the brain in some why, why is it that when the brain is damaged, the mind accordingly becomes altered?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

So then God deliberately causes suffering just because he wants to?

He allows it, because there is no good without bad, they are relative terms. We have the gift to be able to know the difference

 

[viole]

Funny that .. my observations in life show that EVERYTHING has a reason..

I doubt that my mountain in Switzerland has any reason to be there. Unless we talk of physical reasons, that are basically "how's".

You might be surprised .. I haven't found it a waste of time

Maybe. But the danger of insisting in finding possibly inexistent "becauses" is always behind the corner. Human nature, probably. We find it intolerable that things happen for no reason whatsoever. So, we make them up.

Not in the physical sciences, naturally..

So, we agree that science does not suggest in any way a conscious creative act that led to the existence of the Universe?

Absolutely .. as Einstein is reported to have said: "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

We all have a birth and a death, and so do all physical things .. they are not permanent.

But he also said that TIME flow, and namely its separation in past, present and future are an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. Which is basically my point. There is not such a thing as the flow of time. This is an immediate consequence of his theory.

And that is clear, if relativity is true. Spacetime blocks cannot possibly change. In order to change, they have to be embedded in an enclosing context that provides the concept of change. E.g. External clocks and external space. And, even if those things existed, that just would move the problem to the next level.

You seem to believe that things that belong to our far past, e.g. dinosaurs, stopped existing. I think they still exist. They are located at a certain point in spacetime. Stll there. Or not?

Ciao

- viole

 

[outhouse]

The mind is not the brain.

Say what???????????

The brain is nothing but an illusion that is formed from the processing of information, which is the mind

 

[thevoiceofgod]

He allows it, because there is no good without bad, they are relative terms. We have the gift to be able to know the difference

Good and evil is what deceived God's people in this first age. The tree of life is what's important to understand but the objects that God's people observe keeps them from knowing their true created existence.