I'm Starting To Hate Apple

[Father Heathen]

Just get an android. Don't get suckered into paying more by the placebo effect of brand hype.

 

[Brickjectivity]

To be fair, it always did and I've been using it since Windows 3.1. If not for the fact that professional software and games used to require Windows for PC, I would have used it's space on my SDD for something better.

For a little 1-upmanship I actually had Windows 2.0 on a 80286. Unfortunately since we only had 1 meg of ram, the Windows 2.0 wouldn't run any programs. It took up the whole 1 meg. In those days the best hard drives used MFM controllers, and you had to shut down the hard drive. If you lost power without shutting it down, it was likely the drive would be irrevocably damaged.

 

[YmirGF]

For a little 1-upmanship I actually had Windows 2.0 on a 80286. Unfortunately since we only had 1 meg of ram, the Windows 2.0 wouldn't run any programs. It took up the whole 1 meg. In those days the best hard drives used MFM controllers, and you had to shut down the hard drive. If you lost power without shutting it down, it was likely the drive would be irrevocably damaged.

Debug: g=c800:5

Hah, newbie. I first remember seeing, no one actually used it, "Presentation Manager" running on an XT. It was considered a novelty program that made DOS look like a Mac... sort of... okay, not really...

Did you ever see Microsoft Bob? (It was scary stupid and quickly discontinued in about 96.)

286 was still considered "high end" in those days. Circa 1988. This was when they were still working on OS/2 with IBM *giggle, snort*

 

[Brickjectivity]

Debug: g=c800:5

Hah, newbie. I first remember seeing, no one actually used it, "Presentation Manager" running on an XT. It was considered a novelty program that made DOS look like a Mac... sort of... okay, not really...

Did you ever see Microsoft Bob? (It was scary stupid and quickly discontinued in about 96.)

286 was still considered "high end" in those days. Circa 1988. This was when they were still working on OS/2 with IBM *giggle, snort*

By the time I was in high school there were 386 machines, which were many levels better than the 286.

A '286 (80286 for the kids) has something called a 'Virtual mode' which allows it to address more than 64k of ram wow,wow,wow thus a Meg of ram is a lot for a 286. Its like a computer volcano erupted and spewed out a choking mass of deadly ram. A 386-take-a-breath has 32 bit registers and a 32 bit bus (set of date transfer wires) and can run multiple virtual machines at the same time and can address up to 4GIG of ram! Crazy! I mean what programmer would be so stupid that they'd need that much ram -- its insane! I just can't get over how much ram an 80386 processor can address, and most 80386 machines only use 300 or 400 MEGS (Oh I cannot believe how much RAM they have!) of ram. Crazy. Insane. It makes me want to ride a tricycle up and down the street screaming "RAM!" Do you realize that a MEG is a Million bytes of RAM? I just could go on and on. Its an impossible amount.

Yes. Microsoft Bob was on Office 97 or something like that at an office I worked in. I have heard of Presentation Manager somewhere...don't remember where. United Parcel Service had a fling with OS/2, and I worked with it a tiny bit using Lotus 123.

 

[Revoltingest]

For a little 1-upmanship I actually had Windows 2.0 on a 80286. Unfortunately since we only had 1 meg of ram, the Windows 2.0 wouldn't run any programs. It took up the whole 1 meg. In those days the best hard drives used MFM controllers, and you had to shut down the hard drive. If you lost power without shutting it down, it was likely the drive would be irrevocably damaged.

Aye, the days of parking the hard drive required considering buying an SPS vs a UPS.
I opted for an SPS with quarter of wave form response time.

The above post can be ignored.
I'm just wallowing in nerdness.

 

[YmirGF]

By the time I was in high school there were 386 machines, which were many levels better than the 286.

A '286 (80286 for the kids) has something called a 'Virtual mode' which allows it to address more than 64k of ram wow,wow,wow thus a Meg of ram is a lot for a 286. Its like a computer volcano erupted and spewed out a choking mass of deadly ram. A 386-take-a-breath has 32 bit registers and a 32 bit bus (set of date transfer wires) and can run multiple virtual machines at the same time and can address up to 4GIG of ram! Crazy! I mean what programmer would be so stupid that they'd need that much ram -- its insane! I just can't get over how much ram an 80386 processor can address, and most 80386 machines only use 300 or 400 MEGS (Oh I cannot believe how much RAM they have!) of ram. Crazy. Insane. It makes me want to ride a tricycle up and down the street screaming "RAM!" Do you realize that a MEG is a Million bytes of RAM? I just could go on and on. Its an impossible amount.

Yes. Microsoft Bob was on Office 97 or something like that at an office I worked in. I have heard of Presentation Manager somewhere...don't remember where. United Parcel Service had a fling with OS/2, and I worked with it a tiny bit using Lotus 123.

Hehe. No, Bob was a stand alone shell that was the first incarnation of parental control. It had quite a big roll out then fizzled quickly. It's probably the most spectacular failure Microsoft ever had. And it was Slowwwwwww.....

 

[Jumi]

For a little 1-upmanship I actually had Windows 2.0 on a 80286. Unfortunately since we only had 1 meg of ram, the Windows 2.0 wouldn't run any programs. It took up the whole 1 meg. In those days the best hard drives used MFM controllers, and you had to shut down the hard drive. If you lost power without shutting it down, it was likely the drive would be irrevocably damaged.

The good old days!

Never used anything other than DOS on 80286, but at the time Amiga had a far superior OS. It wasn't until the Pentium era that Windows started becoming really usable.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Just get an android. Don't get suckered into paying more by the placebo effect of brand hype.

Android being based on Linux does give it a major advantage of the iPhone, especially for those who like to get in and tinker around some.

 

[Brickjectivity]

The good old days!

Never used anything other than DOS on 80286, but at the time Amiga had a far superior OS. It wasn't until the Pentium era that Windows started becoming really usable.

Windows was pushed on everyone. It was never a product that people needed. It proved that people would buy what they were told to buy.

 

[Revoltingest]

Windows was pushed on everyone. It was never a product that people needed. It proved that people would buy what they were told to buy.

Win98 was an improvement in DOS because of the much easier interface.
And since it used a DOS kernel, it was just as reliable & capable.
But after Win98, it became useless for my business.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Win98 was an improvement in DOS because of the much easier interface.
And since it used a DOS kernel, it was just as reliable & capable.
But after Win98, it became useless for my business.

Well.............IF you have a virtual machine program such as Virtual Box (among others) and you have your original Windows 98 CD and license you can install Windows 98 inside of Windows 10 and run your business software that way.

 

[Jumi]

Android being based on Linux does give it a major advantage of the iPhone, especially for those who like to get in and tinker around some.

Too bad it's strictly controlled. There is almost no feeling of "Linux" unless you root your Android device. The little I've seen of IOS is that it's more usable though neither is anything I would install if there was a choice.

Windows was pushed on everyone. It was never a product that people needed. It proved that people would buy what they were told to buy.

I've felt this way as well, but I think Windows got popular because people wanted to get on the internets using a graphical browser and because they had almost no competition. All the competitors were either down for the count or working with Microsoft.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well.............IF you have a virtual machine program such as Virtual Box (among others) and you have your original Windows 98 CD and license you can install Windows 98 inside of Windows 10 and run your business software that way.

Virtual environments aren't close enuf emulation to run MBOS as
an application, which requires a DOS kernal environment. I've tried.
It's a very demanding application, taking control of memory & lower
level functions.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Virtual environments aren't close enuf emulation to run MBOS as
an application, which requires a DOS kernal environment. I've tried.
It's a very demanding application, taking control of memory & lower
level functions.

I think the marketing description is that is efficiently uses all available RAM which is quite an achievement.

 

[Jumi]

Hehe. No, Bob was a stand alone shell that was the first incarnation of parental control. It had quite a big roll out then fizzled quickly. It's probably the most spectacular failure Microsoft ever had. And it was Slowwwwwww.....

Still sounds more of a success than IE6. Well, for the user anyway.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think the marketing description is that is efficiently uses all available RAM which is quite an achievement.

They claim it.
Could be true....could be the problem, ie, a conflict between 2 operating systems running simultaneously.

 

[Jumi]

They claim it.
Could be true....could be the problem, ie, a conflict between 2 operating systems running simultaneously.

VMware virtualization is pretty commendable. I can run Windows XP to Windows 10 under Windows 7 without a hitch. Not sure how well it emulates older OS, like DOS, but in the future it will be increasingly easy to have OS running in virtualized secure containers.

 

[Vinayaka]

Windows became really slick with 98 Release 1.
It was great with Release 2.
But thereafter, it became useless for anything other than surfing the internet.

Once upon a time i went out to buy an Apple. Maybe 10 years back. I couldn't hook much up at all. After 3 or 4 trips across town to the Apple store, and the total runaround I took it back. This particular computer I have now is over 10 years old and doing fine. Boss and I don't own cell phones.

On another note, a good friend has an apple tree, and didn't know that he should prune it. Let's just say this was a very good year. I went over there with buddy's 12 foot extension ladder and picked for almost 2 hours. There are still some left at the very top, and I'm going to prune that part to get the rest. By prune I mean lop the top off. The food bank got nearly 80 pounds and I'm drying the rest on me hand made racks. People actually buy something called dehydrators, when air and sun do the same thing, with some patience. (A week to two weeks depending on weather) Younger neighbour came over and looked, couldn't believe it. never seen it, never heard of it. Things are great on oatmeal.

Moral of story ... stick to real apples.

 

[Revoltingest]

VMware virtualization is pretty commendable. I can run Windows XP to Windows 10 under Windows 7 without a hitch. Not sure how well it emulates older OS, like DOS, but in the future it will be increasingly easy to have OS running in virtualized secure containers.

I'll pass, since it's not needed (yet).
But if my computer dies, & DOS boxes are unavailable....

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'll pass, since it's not needed (yet).
But if my computer dies, & DOS boxes are unavailable....

I have DOS box on my XBox, and have put them on PS3s. With a regular computer, especially a new one, a DOSbox emulator should be no problem.
"Should be," of course, being the key words.