Immigrants Are Keeping America Young — And The Economy Growing

[Revoltingest]

Do you believe the current economic set-up can deliver prosperity without growth?

Not overall growth, but growth in areas of underemployment.
I'm not anti-growth, btw....I just don't think it should be seen as
a solution to problems, since it comes with problems of its own,
particularly when pursued by increasing our population.

 

[Thief]

That doesn't make opposing education of Spanish-speaking students any less wrong. Ethically or economically.

the radio report claimed the illegal population was eating up California's school funding

that was years ago

by now......

 

[Politesse]

the radio report claimed the illegal population was eating up California's school funding

that was years ago

by now......

As a California educator, I can confirm that this is nonsense. We are badly underfunded, but we're in a better position than we have been since the recession, and the threats aren't having too many students - the way state funding works, we get apportionment per head as far as the student body goes, so if there is a sudden decrease in the number of students, funding will also disappear.

 

[Thief]

As a California educator, I can confirm that this is nonsense. We are badly underfunded, but we're in a better position than we have been since the recession, and the threats aren't having too many students - the way state funding works, we get apportionment per head as far as the student body goes, so if there is a sudden decrease in the number of students, funding will also disappear.

you will not get funding from the illegals....
they are on the dole

 

[Politesse]

you will not get funding from the illegals....
they are on the dole

We don't inquire about immigration status; we get paid to educate, not do the INS' job for them. So how could a child's legal status affect funding? Most of my students are "on the dole" regardless of their race, so that seems like a pretty spurious point. My county would not be any richer without children in it.

 

[Thief]

We don't inquire about immigration status; we get paid to educate, not do the INS' job for them. So how could a child's legal status affect funding? Most of my students are "on the dole" regardless of their race, so that seems like a pretty spurious point. My county would not be any richer without children in it.

have you seen the prospective.....the economics of the up coming generation?

it is unlikely that I....61yrs of age....will retire in the same way as my grandparents
(even my granddad went back to work in his 70's)(in the 70's)

my children will not retire at all

anyone under 20 now.....will live in debt
and the national debt will be theirs altogether

anyone sucking up resources now.....is not helping

and yeah....what they earn they send back to Mexico

and yeah ....they communal a house to avoid buying property

and yeah.... they traffic drugs, guns, and money

and yeah ....their government will not stop the trend....
it's good to rid of people they cannot support

and that's what I see reported on tv
what are you watching?

 

[Kirran]

You can't steal a job from someone. Like, you just can't do it. The closest thing that can happen is that an unprincipled capitalist purposefully drives down wages through taking advantage of the poorest segments of the society. But for one worker to take another's job is downright impossible.

 

[Thief]

think opportunity
the other guy gets it.....you don't

 

[Ana.J]

Immigrants are like fresh blood to improve the genome of the society

 

[Politesse]

think opportunity
the other guy gets it.....you don't

I'm not sure you understand capitalism. Competition is supposedly a good thing.

 

[Thief]

Immigrants are like fresh blood to improve the genome of the society

genome?

mama is full blood Hispanic
daddy was a mut of European decent

not all went well.....oh boy....
a severe understatement

perhaps you are thinking cultural blend?
well English is the language of business
even the Japanese learn it.....for the sake of business

Spanglish is not likely to take hold

 

[Thief]

I'm not sure you understand capitalism. Competition is supposedly a good thing.

tell that to the Chinese....who have no intellectual property law

they came to one of my previous employers with cameras......OOOOPS!

a layoff followed

 

[Politesse]

have you seen the prospective.....the economics of the up coming generation?

it is unlikely that I....61yrs of age....will retire in the same way as my grandparents
(even my granddad went back to work in his 70's)(in the 70's)

my children will not retire at all

anyone under 20 now.....will live in debt
and the national debt will be theirs altogether

Very true. This has nothing to do with immigrants though, and indeed they are in a far worse position. The illegal immigrant is not eligible for as many benefits as you seem to think they are, and social security is one of the things denied them. And they face deportation at any moment, good luck holding on to a bank account in such an eventuality. Even if its the case that you are somehow in competition for the same job as an illegal immigrant, you stand to gain a lot more from it.

anyone sucking up resources now.....is not helping

Yes, but there's only one population you are suggesting stealing a future from in response. All children "suck up resources". But you only want to hurt some children. Because of their skin color, not their economic potential. Your easy (and incorrect) assumption that all immigrants are from Mexico in your next sentence betrays your real reason for hating some children and not others. It has nothing to do with the economic investment of raising a child.

and yeah....what they earn they send back to Mexico

And while they are here they are living on what, air and sunlight? What are you buying that they aren't?

and yeah ....they communal a house to avoid buying property

This is something that all poor people must do, but you only hate some of them.

and yeah.... they traffic drugs, guns, and money

The bilingual kids in our schools are trafficking things across the border? Sell me another one.

and yeah ....their government will not stop the trend....
it's good to rid of people they cannot support

And they accuse liberals of wanting death camps! Jesus. There is absolutely nothing right about this sentence. No, a government can't solve its mismanagement by "getting rid of people" - this is neither moral nor possible. Just "getting rid of people" would not in any way create prosperity.

and that's what I see reported on tv
what are you watching?

Well, not TV, I don't even own one. My information comes from the realities I have actually observed, not a glorified entertainment program masquerading as "news" while they stoke petty hatreds for their own profit.

 

[Thief]

I didn't see

Very true. This has nothing to do with immigrants though, and indeed they are in a far worse position. The illegal immigrant is not eligible for as many benefits as you seem to think they are, and social security is one of the things denied them. And they face deportation at any moment, good luck holding on to a bank account in such an eventuality. Even if its the case that you are somehow in competition for the same job as an illegal immigrant, you stand to gain a lot more from it.

Yes, but there's only one population you are suggesting stealing a future from in response. All children "suck up resources". But you only want to hurt some children. Because of their skin color, not their economic potential. Your easy (and incorrect) assumption that all immigrants are from Mexico in your next sentence betrays your real reason for hating some children and not others. It has nothing to do with the economic investment of raising a child.

And while they are here they are living on what, air and sunlight? What are you buying that they aren't?

This is something that all poor people must do, but you only hate some of them.

The bilingual kids in our schools are trafficking things across the border? Sell me another one.

And they accuse liberals of wanting death camps! Jesus. There is absolutely nothing right about this sentence. No, a government can't solve its mismanagement by "getting rid of people" - this is neither moral nor possible. Just "getting rid of people" would not in any way create prosperity.

Well, not TV, I don't even own one. My information comes from the realities I have actually observed, not a glorified entertainment program masquerading as "news" while they stoke petty hatreds for their own profit.

an economic upswing in your list....
care to point that out?

 

[Ana.J]

genome?

mama is full blood Hispanic
daddy was a mut of European decent

not all went well.....oh boy....
a severe understatement

perhaps you are thinking cultural blend?
well English is the language of business
even the Japanese learn it.....for the sake of business

Spanglish is not likely to take hold

Why would you say that not all went well?

 

[Scuba Pete]

Most of my students are "on the dole" regardless of their race

Wait... all kids are on the dole. They don't add one whit to the GNP. However, those going to school are on their way to being productive citizens. They are an investment and a good one at that. Most who come to America, legally or illegally, are here to stay. Refugees very rarely go back to their COO and that's good for us. We want to capitalize on our investment and the only way for that to happen is for them to stay.

We will always have Negative Nellies with all sorts of biases like @Thief rail against immigrants. They can't see past their fears and their misunderstandings of how incredibly important these people are to the USA.

 

[Thief]

Wait... all kids are on the dole. They don't add one whit to the GNP. However, those going to school are on their way to being productive citizens. They are an investment and a good one at that. Most who come to America, legally or illegally, are here to stay. Refugees very rarely go back to their COO and that's good for us. We want to capitalize on our investment and the only way for that to happen is for them to stay.

We will always have Negative Nellies with all sorts of biases like @Thief rail against immigrants. They can't see past their fears and their misunderstandings of how incredibly important these people are to the USA.

yeah well.....when you see them go by cuffed to each other.....8at a time.....

fine shine of intent and character......yessireeebob

 

[Thief]

Why would you say that not all went well?

i had to live thru it....

i was there....

 

[Scuba Pete]

yeah well.....when you see them go by cuffed to each other...

That's what you want, right? Lock 'em up as you lock her up, right? Lock everybody up that doesn't agree with you. Perfect!

 

[Thief]

That's what you want, right? Lock 'em up as you lock her up, right? Lock everybody up that doesn't agree with you. Perfect!

the agreement (which I didn't create)....
involves the law.....

no one has to agree with me

just don't cross illegal and take jobs from AMERICANS