Immigrants Are Keeping America Young — And The Economy Growing

[Thief]

i worked in a bumper factory for a while...

they took 8 illegals out at once.....cuffed like a centipede

they had all used the same ss number

the job opportunity was wasted on them
and it costs even more money to send them back
and they will try again
nice going

 

[Politesse]

not a crime.....just an economic PROBLEM

How so? Spanish is the second most widely spoken language in the world with about 45 million more speakers than English, which is the third. So a bilingual English-Spanish workforce makes solid economic sense from any standpoint, even if it we were pouring quite a lot of money into English education (which we don't in fact). Your racist feelings toward Mexicans aren't relevant to the question of whether or not a language has economic value.

 

[Politesse]

i do feel bad about the way America was just taken over by settlers

are you suggesting.....fair play in return?

It makes the claim that immigration is ever "illegal" a bit odd. What is the specific statute of limitations here? There are still millions of acres of land within our claimed territory that has never been ceded by legal or military means - the US only "owns" it by the power of its own fiat and bluster, not any legal claim. If we're only going by what is "legal", the citizenship status of a huge chunk of the American populace is actually pretty damn dubious.

But we only ever care about "legal" when the criminals are of minority status.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, legal immigrants who come here to get a better life and aren't a drain on the economy.

Illegal immigrants steal jobs from everyone else, H1-Bs steal tech jobs, and we need both like another hole in the head. I don't really care what the two-bit quasi journalists at sites like this say, I just look at my own neighborhood. The young people really have nothing to do but sit around and get high, there are no jobs for them to get. This wasn't a problem when I was a kid, so obviously something is wrong. But, yea, let's just keep doing what we're doing because that makes sense.

Stole my thunder. Great reply.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

more than half of California's grade school is now Hispanic

Heaven forbid! We gotta save the White Man!

 

[Papoon]

I don't want take the food out of my baby's mouth to feed the intruder unlawfully squatting in my house.

Do you know how many US states were once part of Mexico ?

 

[Mindmaster]

Heaven forbid! We gotta save the White Man!

Yeah, we simply need nothing at all of the predominately white culture that is responsible for all of the advances we've had as a species for the last two-thousand years. Why, oh why, should we ever care about preserving that?

The white culture that gave us:

1) Women equal rights
2) Ended slavery, something that was continuing all over Asia and the ME long after
3) College for people who aren't already rich or noble, didn't happen in the past
4) A concept of freedom, a scarcity in other places of the world
5) Science
6) The social infrastructure that can pay for millions of freeloaders, and still not collapse
7) Need more... ?

Please keep hating the white people, lol. You should thank your lucky damn stars that white culture dominated for so long, we never had it so good.

How long do you think this gravy train will last? That's what most of us are worried about, and the crux of the issue.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

1) Women equal rights

Equal rights here, maybe, but not globally or anywhere outside of our own homes and states. And in various past cultures women and men have been more equal than they are today.

2) Ended slavery, something that was continuing all over Asia and the ME long after

Slavery still exists, and white people are still involved with it. America ended slavery in America, and other countries ended it in their own countries, but we didn't go around and remove it from existence.

3) College for people who aren't already rich or noble, didn't happen in the past

How is that even relevant? For most of the history that we have had a concept of college/university it has been exclusively for the wealthy and nobility.

4) A concept of freedom, a scarcity in other places of the world

Most people around the world aren't deluded enough to buy into this notion of "freedom" most Americans are so fond of.

5) Science

We may have put a name on it and formalized it, but our species has been investigating things and figuring them out long before our concept of science. And of course Galileo wasn't well received, and we still tend to hate Darwin in America.

6) The social infrastructure that can pay for millions of freeloaders, and still not collapse

The same social infrastructure that also brings a bunch of problems with it that aren't known outside of it?
Or what about Anorexia Nervosa?
Fast food?
Markets and environments pumped full of chemicals?
Economic oppression through military oppression?
Catholicism and the Crusades and Inquisition.
"Everything is for sale."

 

[buddhist]

Do you know how many US states were once part of Mexico ?

What about it?

 

[Mindmaster]

The same social infrastructure that also brings a bunch of problems with it that aren't known outside of it?
Or what about Anorexia Nervosa?
Fast food?
Markets and environments pumped full of chemicals?
Economic oppression through military oppression?
Catholicism and the Crusades and Inquisition.
"Everything is for sale."

Is the glass half empty or full?

You can focus on any number of negatives at the expense of the positive, and it still doesn't mean you are making a point. We will always have struggles that we must face down and conquer to move to the next level, so to speak. That doesn't in anyway diminish our past successes, or limit those in the future.

I disagree with your notion that the social structure is creating the problems, as the social structure usually comes into being to resolve them for whatever it is worth. If it is not addressing your perceived problems, a moment of introspection might be required, perhaps you are expecting too much.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You can focus on any number of negatives at the expensive of the positive, and it still doesn't mean you are making a point.

Then how is your point any more valid, if it doesn't mean a valid point is being made?

 

[Mindmaster]

Then how is your point any more valid, if it doesn't mean a valid point is being made?

The things you've mentioned are mostly blights of excess, that's to say they are problems society has because it has done well. In situations where society isn't doing well, you don't have luxuries like fast food or scientists having the resources to make genetically modified food. You have no time to worry about your appearance and binge and purge because you're out in the field digging up some potatoes. The very fact that these issues even exist is a testament to the abundance of resources, and that was my point.

As far as ending slavery, yes, they effectively did. Once the largely white empires stop buying slaves the market tanked, so while there are far more slaves now likely the slavers are forced underground for the most part. It's not the same, it is limited in scale/culture.

 

[Thief]

Heaven forbid! We gotta save the White Man!

it may be too late....

and the economic crash is pending

 

[Thief]

It makes the claim that immigration is ever "illegal" a bit odd. What is the specific statute of limitations here? There are still millions of acres of land within our claimed territory that has never been ceded by legal or military means - the US only "owns" it by the power of its own fiat and bluster, not any legal claim. If we're only going by what is "legal", the citizenship status of a huge chunk of the American populace is actually pretty damn dubious.

But we only ever care about "legal" when the criminals are of minority status.

i don't think you thought your post thru.....

 

[Thief]

How so? Spanish is the second most widely spoken language in the world with about 45 million more speakers than English, which is the third. So a bilingual English-Spanish workforce makes solid economic sense from any standpoint, even if it we were pouring quite a lot of money into English education (which we don't in fact). Your racist feelings toward Mexicans aren't relevant to the question of whether or not a language has economic value.

i remind you.....la nombre de mi madre es.....Everesta Maria

 

[Politesse]

i remind you.....la nombre de mi madre es.....Everesta Maria

That doesn't make opposing education of Spanish-speaking students any less wrong. Ethically or economically.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's not the same, it is limited in scale/culture.

Nestle, Mars, and Hershey's all get raw cocoa from the Ivory Coast that is produced through child slave labor. The Chinese produce a ton of cheap junk through slave labor and labor camps, and Whites buy it up.

 

[Papoon]

I don't want take the food out of my baby's mouth to feed the intruder unlawfully squatting in my house.

Do you know how many US states were once part of Mexico ?

What about it?

There you have it folks.

 

[buddhist]

There you have it folks.

Have what?

Do you realize that many lands were sold to the united States?

 

[Yerda]

I challenge the notion that we need a growing economy, especially if we achieve it by importing millions more people. I'd be happy if our population remained stable. Unspoiled rural & natural land would thank us for halting urban sprawl.

Do you believe the current economic set-up can deliver prosperity without growth?