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Immigration Poll

Which position best describes your views on immigration?

  • Immigration is a bad thing and should be reduced

    Votes: 5 12.2%
  • Immigration has mixed results

    Votes: 17 41.5%
  • Immigration is a good thing and we should have more immigration

    Votes: 9 22.0%
  • Other/ it's complicated (explain)

    Votes: 8 19.5%
  • Don't know/Not sure

    Votes: 2 4.9%

  • Total voters
    41

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Immigration has become a major political issue in both the US with the rise of Donald Trump and in the UK with the growth of the U.K. Independence Party and the crucial role it played in the EU referendum.

For the most part, discussions of immigration are largely taboo and considered "politically incorrect" due to its association with racism, but is also accepted as part of the process of globalisation, free trade and the development of multi-cultural, multi-racial and multi-faith societies. Insistence on equality on the basis of race and religion, whether this is the legal equality endorsed by centre right and centre left positions or socio-economic equality by the far left, the issue has gone largely ignored by mainstream parties and has become a major pull factor in far-right politics in Europe and the US.

Given this, it is necessary to break the silence on the issue and discuss it frankly. We have to admit there is a problem if we are actually to solve it, but there are very different ways of approaching the issue and therefore framing what solutions we would consider. Political correctness, whatever its intentions, has not achieved its goal of eradicating racism in society, but instead has simply buried the issue of immigration and its related problems. This silence has meant that far right narratives go unchallenged and the issue recieves great attention in the tabloid press often with little consideration for the evidence in order to make sensationalised headlines. The electoral pull of the far right may arguably be down to how globalisation and immigration have challenged traditional conceptions of national identity and fostered insecurity both economically in terms of job but also culturally as groups with different customs collide (notably in the case of fears over Islam and Arabs). So these problems will it disappear simply by being quiet about them.

As someone who until recently shared the view that the immigration issue was untouchable due to its taboos, I have voted "don't know/not sure" in the poll irrespective of my own feelings and ideological inclinations on the issue. Immigration has now become a major political issue in both the UK and US and we need to understand it and find alternative narratives to understanding the issue to resist the far right, recognising the legitimacy of some of people's fears and coping with the challenges of living together in a globalising world.

The poll is very broad and I have tried to avoid specifics. Feel free to vote other if you wish and expand your own views as it will hopefully add to a discussion which seems to polarise people rather deeply.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I better not see any Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, etc. voting that immigration is a "bad thing".
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sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
My parents were immigrants. Their friends were immigrants. I know many both legal and illegal who work hard and are productive residents. The small minority who are not should be kicked out but the vast majority should be allowed to stay.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Immigration has always been beneficial in the long term.
While prejudice seems to be a universal state of man, it is never beneficial.
The rapid influx of new peoples always causes anxiety at least in the short term.
It is always unfairly blamed for the misfortunes and hardships of the existing populations.

In the case of the UK, the recruitment of people from the Indian sub continent to work in the mills after the war
and the recruitment of west Indians in the 50's and 60's
And more recently the temporary influx of Europeans to do casual work on the land.
Have all raised the hackles of local settled populations...
None of which were ever prepared to take on these jobs.

In the case of Eastern Europeans, especially from Poland, they have proved to be highly motivated and skilled workers. They have found a place in the artisan and professional fields. including engineers of all types. doctor dentists and nurses. They have set up numerous and successful small business. They are a credit to their nation.

The recent arrival in the UK of a relatively small number of refugees from the middle east have exacerbated peoples fears. Most will eventually return to their countries. Only those that have successfully created a new life here will stay.

The number of small and large businesses and successful professionals from the many immigrant families of past times, is astonishing.
The UK would be vastly poorer with out them.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Immigration has become a major political issue in both the US with the rise of Donald Trump and in the UK with the growth of the U.K. Independence Party and the crucial role it played in the EU referendum.

For the most part, discussions of immigration are largely taboo and considered "politically incorrect" due to its association with racism, but is also accepted as part of the process of globalisation, free trade and the development of multi-cultural, multi-racial and multi-faith societies. Insistence on equality on the basis of race and religion, whether this is the legal equality endorsed by centre right and centre left positions or socio-economic equality by the far left, the issue has gone largely ignored by mainstream parties and has become a major pull factor in far-right politics in Europe and the US.

Given this, it is necessary to break the silence on the issue and discuss it frankly. We have to admit there is a problem if we are actually to solve it, but there are very different ways of approaching the issue and therefore framing what solutions we would consider. Political correctness, whatever its intentions, has not achieved its goal of eradicating racism in society, but instead has simply buried the issue of immigration and its related problems. This silence has meant that far right narratives go unchallenged and the issue recieves great attention in the tabloid press often with little consideration for the evidence in order to make sensationalised headlines. The electoral pull of the far right may arguably be down to how globalisation and immigration have challenged traditional conceptions of national identity and fostered insecurity both economically in terms of job but also culturally as groups with different customs collide (notably in the case of fears over Islam and Arabs). So these problems will it disappear simply by being quiet about them.

As someone who until recently shared the view that the immigration issue was untouchable due to its taboos, I have voted "don't know/not sure" in the poll irrespective of my own feelings and ideological inclinations on the issue. Immigration has now become a major political issue in both the UK and US and we need to understand it and find alternative narratives to understanding the issue to resist the far right, recognising the legitimacy of some of people's fears and coping with the challenges of living together in a globalising world.

The poll is very broad and I have tried to avoid specifics. Feel free to vote other if you wish and expand your own views as it will hopefully add to a discussion which seems to polarise people rather deeply.

Your premise is misleading. There is no problem with immigration into the US; it's illegal immigration that has many panties bunched up.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Your premise is misleading. There is no problem with immigration into the US; it's illegal immigration that has many panties bunched up.

I left that deliberately vague so it could be discussed. ;)
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I better not see any Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, etc. voting that immigration is a "bad thing".
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Nor Brazilians. We are not exactly the pure descendancy of the native people.

The way I see it, immigration should be continually supported and encouraged, although it must be managed with a sober sense of the social impacts that it creates.

It is just not ethically feasible to discourage it. People can't fairly be denied rights out of an accident of birth.

Ideally, immigration should be gradual, and allowed at rates that consider the willingness to learn the local language and reciprocity. And it should be allowed, even encouraged for people to return to their lands of origin if they so desire.

Edited to add: the necessary complement of it (and another factor to consider when accepting immigrants) is that demographical growth must be controlled. People everywhere must raise awareness of how dangerous it is to keep growing their numbers, and aim to have two children at most. It seems to me that places of origin whose immigrants end up having less children should be allowed more immigrants than those who have three or more children.
 
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illykitty

RF's pet cat
I don't see immigration as a bad thing. Humans throughout history have migrated and moved around. We're far from static. I am from Canada, which is largely a country made by immigrants, my grand-parents on my mother's side are immigrants who fled Hungary and I immigrated to the UK to live with the person I love.

It's true that immigration can put some stress on some services and such, but that's the job of the government to deal with it. They control the flow of immigration, they have the responsibility to adjust things. Maybe we should question their competence rather than blame and hate neighbours.

I feel immigration is often used as a scapegoat for things people are angry about in society... It's a lot easier to blame migrants though than to have a harder look into what the real issues might be. It's a lot easier to blame ONE thing than recognise there are many problems.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Your premise is misleading. There is no problem with immigration into the US; it's illegal immigration that has many panties bunched up.

Bingo. But that is the way it is portrayed in the political arena. Someone wants immigration to be legal and vetted and suddenly they are portrayed as being anti immigration and racist. What is wrong with wanting immigrants to be legal and vetted. My wife came here legally several years ago. Jumped through all the hoops and obeyed all the laws. Never complained once about it. I'm for immigration if it's done right. By the law.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
My option wasn't in the poll.

I believe immigration is not good because no one wishes to leave their home out of being happy, but those to whom they turn to must accept them with opened arms.

Having said that, it has become evident that mass immigration was the ultimate test for Democracy/Secularism/Western Ideology. It has failed miserably and this is the beginning of the end, the beginning of total decay of western civilization and the rise of Islamic rule.

If you look at it closely, the whole of Europe is in the brink of destruction were Turkey to send over it's 2.7 million refugees. What a whole continent of some of the most powerful countries cannot do, is done with ease by Turkey. The majority of people in Turkey are Muslims and as such we do not turn away people in need. We must give them even if it's the last of what we have, we honour our guests.

Yet most of Europe is a reflection of ISIS. Reject/ill treat minorities unless they change their ways to ours. It is sad, but a sad reality indeed.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Mixed results is my choice.

I mean, would USA, for example, have formed without immigration?

That wasn't immigration, it was colonialism, terrorism, indiscriminate killing, racism you name it. A country that was built on racism will always be just that. And it reject anyone who's different.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
My option wasn't in the poll.

I believe immigration is not good because no one wishes to leave their home out of being happy, but those to whom they turn to must accept them with opened arms.

Having said that, it has become evident that mass immigration was the ultimate test for Democracy/Secularism/Western Ideology. It has failed miserably and this is the beginning of the end, the beginning of total decay of western civilization and the rise of Islamic rule.

If you look at it closely, the whole of Europe is in the brink of destruction were Turkey to send over it's 2.7 million refugees. What a whole continent of some of the most powerful countries cannot do, is done with ease by Turkey. The majority of people in Turkey are Muslims and as such we do not turn away people in need. We must give them even if it's the last of what we have, we honour our guests.

Yet most of Europe is a reflection of ISIS. Reject/ill treat minorities unless they change their ways to ours. It is sad, but a sad reality indeed.

I agree with much of what you say. But I have a question. In the type of government you want back. How would the Islamic lands under the new Caliph coexist with non Muslim nations of the world? Respectfully.
 
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