Immigration Poll

[YmirGF]

Why should a country or land whose majority of inhabitants are Muslims be ruled by other than Islamic law?

Through the time honored tradition of conquest. In military engagements, the defeated do not define the terms of surrender.

I'm also heartened to see that you are reading Bernard Lewis. I knew you would like him.

 

[Gharib]

You say that, yet moan about living under the "oppression" of a western government in your cozy first world kuffar country.

Whatever makes you happy cheese cake.

 

[Aquitaine]

Whatever makes you happy cheese cake.

I have literally seen you complain on here that your kuffar government (Australia if I recall correctly?) won't allow you to fulfill your god-given right to multiple wives, and how god's law comes before "man-made" law.

From what I remember, you're also a white convert; which if true makes it even more hilarious.

 

[Gharib]

Through the time honored tradition of conquest. In military engagements, the defeated do not define the terms of surrender.

What are you referring to specifically. Your previous post deed seem a little too open to interpretation but I was referring to any modern country which has a majority Muslim population. Much like Turkey. Why should it be ruled by other than Islamic law and what gives others a right to interfere in Turkish affairs.

And mind you, Turkey is seemingly surpassing any other country in the world in terms of treatment towards minorities, treatment towards refugees, (have you seen the news, Erdogan announced Syrians will be granted citizenship, without making any distinction between Muslims and others).

I'm also heartened to see that you are reading Bernard Lewis. I knew you would like him.

I have you to thank.

 

[Gharib]

I have literally seen you complain on here that your kuffar government (Australia if I recall correctly?) won't allow you to fulfill your god-given right to multiple wives, and how god's law comes before "man-made" law.

From what I remember, you're also a white convert; which if true makes it even more hilarious.

Hahaha.

God's law does come before man made laws. This is the example of man made law;
Today a rapist gets 25 years in prison, tomorrow a new government comes to power and the punishment becomes 10 years. How is that justice?
Moreover, if a secular country had more rapists than anything else, the majority wins, so rape all of a sudden becomes legal.
This is democracy, two fools an beat a wise man with a finger.

Who said I can't have 4 wives in Australia, or any other country if I wanted to? My God given right is to marry one woman. Islam is the only faith, ideology, way of life that specifies marrying one woman. Does your secular/democratic constitution outline how many you can and can't marry?

I am not a convert.

 

[Aquitaine]

Hahaha.

God's law does come before man made laws. This is the example of man made law;
Today a rapist gets 25 years in prison, tomorrow a new government comes to power and the punishment becomes 10 years. How is that justice?
Moreover, if a secular country had more rapists than anything else, the majority wins, so rape all of a sudden becomes legal.
This is democracy, two fools an beat a wise man with a finger.

Who said I can't have 4 wives in Australia, or any other country if I wanted to? My God given right is to marry one woman. Islam is the only faith, ideology, way of life that specifies marrying one woman. Does your secular/democratic constitution outline how many you can and can't marry?

I am not a convert.

So, I got the sex, country and views on marriage/law right, but now I'm curious: are you white?

 

[Gharib]

So, I got the sex, country and views on marriage/law right, but now I'm curious: are you white?

Yes I am. How is this relevant with anything. You got nothing right.
Whats more important have you been following me around the forum?

 

[icehorse]

@Gharib It was my understanding that Muslims were supposed to be patient with non-believers who are sincerely trying to understand Islam. That's me! I say Islam was spread by conquest, and you insult me and say it was both conquest and colonization. Hmmm, I think these are fine distinctions here, hardly the sign of someone who is not paying attention. And yet, you choose not to be charitable, but instead to be insulting.

 

[Gharib]

@Gharib It was my understanding that Muslims were supposed to be patient with non-believers who are sincerely trying to understand Islam. That's me! I say Islam was spread by conquest, and you insult me and say it was both conquest and colonization. Hmmm, I think these are fine distinctions here, hardly the sign of someone who is not paying attention. And yet, you choose not to be charitable, but instead to be insulting.

Yes Islam teaches us to be patient. But you my friend are far from being sincere in what you say.

And it seems you can't even comprehend basic English. It was either to defend itself or those oppressed where in turn victory meant ruling the land and it's people. But, others outside the faith having autonomy and living according to their own religious laws.

 

[icehorse]

Yes Islam teaches us to be patient. But you my friend are far from being sincere in what you say.

And it seems you can't even comprehend basic English. It was either to defend itself or those oppressed where in turn victory meant ruling the land and it's people. But, others outside the faith having autonomy and living according to their own religious laws.

And you are wrong. I'm critical, but I am absolutely sincere. The fact that we disagree does NOT make me insincere. And here you go once again with the insults, are you capable of debating the ideas and leaving the insults behind?

Islam did not grow throughout northern Africa, into India, and up to Turkey by "defending itself".

 

[Aquitaine]

Yes I am. How is this relevant with anything. You got nothing right.
Whats more important have you been following me around the forum?

Heh, so I've "got nothing right", yet got enough correct to warrant suspicion of stalking?
You do make me laugh, and that is why I remember you: I tend to better remember RF's more. . . colourful characters.

Your skin colour is relevant because it further pushes you in to the "overcompensating first-world white Islamic fundamentalist" stereotype. Dave Chappelle was right: the white ones are the most dangerous lol.

Ah, cheers for the laughs Gharib, top giggles m8, top bantz.

 

[Gharib]

Heh, so I've "got nothing right", yet got enough correct to warrant suspicion of stalking?
You do make me laugh, and that is why I remember you: I tend to better remember RF's more. . . colourful characters.

Your skin colour is relevant because it further pushes you in to the "overcompensating first-world white Islamic fundamentalist" stereotype. Dave Chappelle was right: the white ones are the most dangerous lol.

Ah, cheers for the laughs Gharib, top giggles m8, top bantz.

Aha, that's why you remember, you're an ozzie too.

Mate, I'll tell you honestly how much I love living in this cozy country. If I knew Turkish, I would have left this place a hundred years ago. I have no ill feelings towards Australia. It's just that it is a very racist country, it hates minorities and many times it has double standards.

 

[Aquitaine]

Aha, that's why you remember, you're an ozzie too.

Mate, I'll tell you honestly how much I love living in this cozy country. If I knew Turkish, I would have left this place a hundred years ago. I have no ill feelings towards Australia. It's just that it is a very racist country, it hates minorities and many times it has double standards.

Nope, I live very far from Australia, though I visited once as a child - your "pigeons" are green and yellow(!).
To be honest, every country has its racism and double standards. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

In Turkey, you'll be a white minority and may very well be subjected to similar discrimination and double-standards; even as a muslim. Though I suppose you can always learn Turkish and emmigrate there, then report back to us on what Turkey is like.

 

[Gharib]

And you are wrong. I'm critical, but I am absolutely sincere. The fact that we disagree does NOT make me insincere. And here you go once again with the insults, are you capable of debating the ideas and leaving the insults behind?

Islam did not grow throughout northern Africa, into India, and up to Turkey by "defending itself".

I have seen your posts in other threads, spare me your sainthood. If I have made any insult, I apologize. Regardless of what you may or would have said, I do not like to insult people. If I have done so then accept my apology.

Islam did grow by defending itself. Make a google search and see how far the land that was under Persian and Roman rule stretched to.

Muslims went after those who had attacked them. Why would they go as far as Spain but not towards modern day Russia or central/eastern Africa??

 

[icehorse]

I have seen your posts in other threads, spare me your sainthood. If I have made any insult, I apologize. Regardless of what you may or would have said, I do not like to insult people. If I have done so then accept my apology.

Islam did grow by defending itself. Make a google search and see how far the land that was under Persian and Roman rule stretched to.

Muslims went after those who had attacked them. Why would they go as far as Spain but not towards modern day Russia or central/eastern Africa??

Yes, in in those other threads I am uniformly critical, but never insincere. I view Islam and religion in general with skepticism, that does not make me insincere. If you can say that Islam grew by defending itself, then I think you're playing games with words.

 

[Aquitaine]

Yes, in in those other threads I am uniformly critical, but never insincere. I view Islam and religion in general with skepticism, that does not make me insincere. If you can say that Islam grew by defending itself, then I think you're playing games with words.

No empire grew via merely defending itself, I honestly don't know how people can believe such a thing.
Empires are about power, control and wealth - not spreading fuzzy goodness.

 

[YmirGF]

What are you referring to specifically.

The amusing notion that any lands held by and inhabited by Muslims are "Muslim lands", in perpetuity, till Judgment Day. Not a particularly realistic idea but it looks good on the marketing brochures, I'm sure.

Your previous post deed seem a little too open to interpretation but I was referring to any modern country which has a majority Muslim population. Much like Turkey. Why should it be ruled by other than Islamic law and what gives others a right to interfere in Turkish affairs.

My post are often intentionally vague to give me latitude to take my next comments wherever I wish. I do agree that this "Might is right" idea has pretty well gone the way of the Dodo, however. Now one country cannot annex another country without provoking considerable anguish... unless you are Russia, of course. It was an internationally recognized idea up to and including WWII.

And mind you, Turkey is seemingly surpassing any other country in the world in terms of treatment towards minorities, treatment towards refugees, (have you seen the news, Erdogan announced Syrians will be granted citizenship, without making any distinction between Muslims and others).

I'm not a fan of Erdogan - at all and am quite unimpressed with what is going on in that country.

I have you to thank.

My pleasure. Side Note: I found his analysis of the Assassins to be utterly captivating reading, no pun intended.

 

[MD]

As an immigrant I voted that immigration has mixed results. It should mostly be open only to highly educated people.

Aha, that's why you remember, you're an ozzie too.

Mate, I'll tell you honestly how much I love living in this cozy country. If I knew Turkish, I would have left this place a hundred years ago. I have no ill feelings towards Australia. It's just that it is a very racist country, it hates minorities and many times it has double standards.

I look and am partly Middle Eastern with a Muslim sounding name. I bet I have faced far more racism than you in Canada and USA. Not only from randoms, but I'm talking searches and interrogation. Also I'm low on the barrel for society, I don't get perks, old daddy's money/connections, quotas for affirmative action, seen as the 'bad guy' in society, etc. I have to shave when I travel, no matter what. Not even a little stubble.

None of that would even touch the true oppression one get in an Islamic country. Have you ever lived in an Islamic State? Do you have friends and family who have, some who almost died escaping such states? Some who saw others killed while escaping such states?

You are lucky the Leftists have thoroughly weakened Western society to the point that that they need Islamic immigration and replacement to stay afloat. Any sensible, sustainable society would not tolerate your bull**** for one second. When Islam becomes the majority in the West it will not be for any other reason than the Left creating the conditions to let it happen. It won't for divine reasons. It won't be cinematic. It will simply be the actions of a delusional ideology destroying the society, history and culture that gave birth to it.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

In my opinion mass immigration only works if the host nation has an absolute separation of Church/State and a clearly defined Constitution guaranteeing individual rights and especially rights protecting minorities from the majority.


*whose imperial ancestors* populated entire continents with their own race at the expense of indigenous people.
Do you happen to believe in retroactive race-based collective punishment by any chance?

Is the highlighted part a question?

And no, I do not believe in the latter.

 

[Gharib]

Nope, I live very far from Australia, though I visited once as a child - your "pigeons" are green and yellow(!).
To be honest, every country has its racism and double standards. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Yes I agree, but it's not the same when they try to promote themselves as welcoming to multiculturalism when in reality that's not the case.

In Turkey, you'll be a white minority and may very well be subjected to similar discrimination and double-standards; even as a muslim. Though I suppose you can always learn Turkish and emmigrate there, then report back to us on what Turkey is like.

If there will be any form of racism or discrimination, it won't be as bad as Australia. But I don't believe there will be. My people have lived there for over a hundred years now. I am yet to hear of anything bad.