In the Beginning...of What?

[sandy whitelinger]

Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
I don't know, there's a lot of discrepancy (I think) between the Jewish translations and the multitude of other manuscripts.

So far, for at least the 1st chapter of Genesis, I find the KJV to be the most coherent in the English.

 

[Muffled]

KJV calls it heaven. Now if heaven has no physicality then why does everything else that was formed or created have physicality?

I believe I am sorry I missed the reference. I believe heaven is the known universe and quite Physical.

 

[Muffled]

I agree that God created dichotomies. Yet one of the first dichotomies created was heaven and earth and yet it was earth that was formless and void not heaven.

I believe void here does not mean complete emptiness but the lack of things that are found in the world today so that it fits in with the context of formlessness.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I believe void here does not mean complete emptiness but the lack of things that are found in the world today so that it fits in with the context of formlessness.

I'm leaning more to a pre-earth of unformed matter where God stirred the pot and said this part will be the future earh.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I believe I am sorry I missed the reference. I believe heaven is the known universe and quite Physical.

Then where is Gods heaven?

 

[Muffled]

Then where is Gods heaven?

Everything is God's heaven. Heaven is in the center of time but not part of it.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Everything is God's heaven. Heaven is in the center of time but not part of it.

I'm not sure I understand that or how you derive this from Scripture but I'll play along.

So God's heaven is in a higher dimension?Also, was His heaven created "In the beginning?"

 

[Notaclue]

I'm not sure I understand that or how you derive this from Scripture but I'll play along.

So God's heaven is in a higher dimension?Also, was His heaven created "In the beginning?"

Col.1:12 giving thanks unto the Father, who made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light;
13 who delivered us out of the power(authority) of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love;
14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:
15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto (into) him.

God created all things 'through' and 'into' his Son.


Who is the beginning of the creation. (Rev.3:14)

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Col.1:12 giving thanks unto the Father, who made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light;
13 who delivered us out of the power(authority) of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love;
14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:
15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto (into) him.

God created all things 'through' and 'into' his Son.


Who is the beginning of the creation. (Rev.3:14)

Ok. And this tells me what exactly?

 

[Faithofchristian]

The first the words of the Bible. Why does this mean the beginning of the universe?

This takes us back before Adam and Eve and all things in this earth age came to be.

In the beginning is in reference to a time before the heaven and Earth was created, Alot of people are under the impression that the heaven and Earth was created during the creation week, but this is not true.
The heaven and Earth was already here, before God created anything on the earth.

No one actually knows when the beginning was, when God created the heaven and Earth.
What we do have is that the earth was already here, The dinosaurs bones stands there as proof of a earth age, before this earth came into being that we live in.

What we do know by the dinosaurs bones, that the earth is Millions if not Billions of years old.
So we know that the earth couldn't possibly have been created 6000 years ago

Since the dinosaur bones date back to
6.5 Million years and the earth was there then, So just how old is the earth ?

So the earth could not be 6000 years old, As people are taught to believe.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Im asking why it's assumed to be creation story?

That's because it's not part of the creation story of Genesis, As people are taught to believe.

In the beginning, what God is trying to do here is, to take us back to when the heaven and Earth was first created, Billions of years ago. This was way before the creation story of Genesis came to be.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

This takes us back before Adam and Eve and all things in this earth age came to be.

In the beginning is in reference to a time before the heaven and Earth was created, Alot of people are under the impression that the heaven and Earth was created during the creation week, but this is not true.
The heaven and Earth was already here, before God created anything on the earth.

No one actually knows when the beginning was, when God created the heaven and Earth.
What we do have is that the earth was already here, The dinosaurs bones stands there as proof of a earth age, before this earth came into being that we live in.

What we do know by the dinosaurs bones, that the earth is Millions if not Billions of years old.
So we know that the earth couldn't possibly have been created 6000 years ago

Since the dinosaur bones date back to
6.5 Million years and the earth was there then, So just how old is the earth ?

So the earth could not be 6000 years old, As people are taught to believe.

While your explanation has a wayward path, essentially I can see this.

A possibility is that God exists in another universe that on occasion interacts with our 4-dimensional universe. Clearly there is a Bilical world that is apart from our natural world. Modern cosmology with the concepts of hyperspace and parallel universes could account for this.

 

[Faithofchristian]

While your explanation has a wayward path, essentially I can see this.

A possibility is that God exists in another universe that on occasion interacts with our 4-dimensional universe. Clearly there is a Bilical world that is apart from our natural world. Modern cosmology with the concepts of hyperspace and parallel universes could account for this.

Yes you got it, There is a dimension between us and God, which is called in the Bible Spiritual dimension. That we can not see, because we are in the physical dimension.

And yes, you are right, we are in the natural world and God is in the Spiritual dimension.

The God that created everything in the creation week of Genesis, is the same God that created the heaven and Earth in the beginning.

In the creation week of Genesis, is this earth age that we live in.

The creation of the heaven and Earth in the beginning, is way before the creation week of Genesis.

When God created the heaven and Earth in the beginning, Was Billions of years ago.

The bible doesn't give us the exact time, When the heaven and Earth was created.

The creation of the heaven and Earth in the beginning has nothing at all to with the creation week of Genesis.

What we do know is, that dinosaurs bones date's back to 6.5 Million of years ago. So this tells us that the earth is just as old or older.

Throughout the bible both old testament and new testament, tells all about that first earth age. Of the world that then was.

Therefore since there was a first earth age, and the earth was there, Way before the creation week of Genesis.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

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Nope, same God

The God that created everything in the creation week of Genesis, is the same God that created the heaven and Earth in the beginning.

In the creation week of Genesis, is this earth age that we live in.

The creation of the heaven and Earth in the beginning, is way before the creation week of Genesis.

When God created the heaven and Earth in the beginning, Was Billions of years ago.

The bible doesn't give us the exact time, When the heaven and Earth was created.

The creation of the heaven and Earth in the beginning has nothing at all to with the creation week of Genesis.

What we do know is, that dinosaurs bones date's back to 6.5 Million of years ago. So this tells us that the earth is just as old or older.

Throughout the bible both old testament and new testament, tells all about that first earth age. Of the world that then was.

Therefore since there was a first earth age, and the earth was there, Way before the creation week of Genesis.

don't know how you arrived here from what I offered, but what the hay. You have your shtick and I have mine.

 

[Faithofchristian]

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don't know how you arrived here from what I offered, but what the hay. You have your shtick and I have mine.

Look you are right about, We are in the natural world and God is in the Spiritual dimension.

I just misread you.went back read again what you said and found your right about God being in another dimension than we are.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Look you are right about, We are in the natural world and God is in the Spiritual dimension.

I just misread you.went back read again what you said and found your right about God being in another dimension than we are.

God is from another dimension. Would it not be possible for Him to wake up in His universe on Monday, see a singularity that is our unverse and say, if I touch it right there then a world will form in a billion of it's years? On Tuesday He wakes up and say this world needs light and inflates the universe just enough for light to emerge in 300,000 thousand of our years? Why wouldn't it be called day 2?

 

[Faithofchristian]

God is from another dimension. Would it not be possible for Him to wake up in His universe on Monday, see a singularity that is our unverse and say, if I touch it right there then a world will form in a billion of it's years? On Tuesday He wakes up and say this world needs light and inflates the universe just enough for light to emerge in 300,000 thousand of our years? Why wouldn't it be called day 2?

For as the creation week of Genesis, God setup days, Months and years, so that we being in the natural world, could have set times and day, Months and years to go by in this natural world.

Where as God and the angels being in the Spiritual dimension, have no need of time, days, months and years.

I do see what your trying to say. But God and angels are not bound by time, days, months and years As we are in this natural world that we live in.

 

[metis]

I tend to agree with Einstein and Spinoza in that probably the best way to find God is through science ("Nature").

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I tend to agree with Einstein and Spinoza in that probably the best way to find God is through science ("Nature").

Once they have described everything, then the form of unknowable will be seen. I suppose it will be only a mold of God, much like those hollows that were found in the ashes of Pompeii.

 

[Notaclue]

Ok. And this tells me what exactly?

Gen.1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


God created the darkness in his Son.


1Jn.1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.


There is no darkness in God.


Eph.4: 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.


God is in all........... All are not in God.


Peace.