In what religion is god flawed?

[Ringer]

Prove to me that he does exist and then I won't talk.

Unfortunately, I doubt anything from a Christian perspective would suffice for you. Christians were not commanded to go out onto the ends of the world and give people proof for God's existence. However, they were commanded to spread the gospel message. Why? Maybe because there is truth in the message and when you know truth, you know God.

So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."

"Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth."

If you are just looking for God's existence through evidence, you may come up empty handed. Nature itself is enough evidence for some but for those who require more, I always suggest taking an honest look at the Bible and praying (yes, asking for a leap of faith here) that you are to know truth when presented to you.

 

[Logical]

Unfortunately, I doubt anything from a Christian perspective would suffice for you. Christians were not commanded to go out onto the ends of the world and give people proof for God's existence. However, they were commanded to spread the gospel message. Why? Maybe because there is truth in the message and when you know truth, you know God.

So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."

"Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth."

If you are just looking for God's existence through evidence, you may come up empty handed. Nature itself is enough evidence for some but for those who require more, I always suggest taking an honest look at the Bible and praying (yes, asking for a leap of faith here) that you are to know truth when presented to you.

In short what you are really saying is, no, you do not have any proof.

 

[Ringer]

In short what you are really saying is, no, you do not have any proof.

Apparently, you didn't understand what I was trying to say.

 

[Logical]

Apparently, you didn't understand what I was trying to say.

No, just simplifying your statement.

 

[Ringer]

No, just simplifying your statement.

Incorrectly

 

[Logical]

Incorrectly

Well you stated, "Christians were not commanded to go out onto the ends of the world and give people proof for God's existence.", and "If you are just looking for God's existence through evidence, you may come up empty handed."

What about those two phrases is not signifying that you are simply saying there is no proof?

 

[doppelganger]

However, they were commanded to spread the gospel message.

What do think is the "gospel message" and if not by evidence, how does one "spread" it?

 

[Ringer]

Well you stated, "Christians were not commanded to go out onto the ends of the world and give people proof for God's existence.", and "If you are just looking for God's existence through evidence, you may come up empty handed."

What about those two phrases is not signifying that you are simply saying there is no proof?

Saying Christians are not commanded to go out and give proof of God's existence is not the same as saying there isn't any. I've been on the boards long enough to know that nothing I say in regards to proof will be satisfactory for you. God tell us that there is a certain element of faith that needs to be involved; something you are probably unwilling to accept. You demand proof on your own terms and conditions. Proof starts coming in for the Christians after they already submitted to an element of trust and faith. Their daily lives are proof for themselves. Still, there is enough in the world that even a non-believer can come to the conclusion that there is a God. Maybe you should start a new thread or preferably, search for one already open that deals with this topic as they tend to be a dime a dozen.

 

[Ringer]

What do think is the "gospel message" and if not by evidence, how does one "spread" it?

That there is a God that desires a relationship with everyone in the world. That He died on the cross as a payment for our sins so that we may enter into an eternal relationship if we will accept His sacrifice. Nothing complex that you probably haven't heard a million times.

How it's spread? Isn't that one missionaries and disciples are for? I don't believe they are commissioned to show people evidence of God? That's something that the individual can figure out on their own terms. For the most part, it's to share what's in the Bible which I believe is the most powerful tool. There are those things that can be known about God through creation but the Bible is there so that we can know Him on a more personable level.

 

[doppelganger]

That there is a God that desires a relationship with everyone in the world. That He died on the cross as a payment for our sins so that we may enter into an eternal relationship if we will accept His sacrifice. Nothing complex that you probably haven't heard a million times.

So you just go around telling people that? And that's it? Stick a Bible in their face? How's that any different than the myriad other stories about redeeming god-man sacrifices and gods that sought to "spread" now and in the past?

 

[Logical]

Saying Christians are not commanded to go out and give proof of God's existence is not the same as saying there isn't any. I've been on the boards long enough to know that nothing I say in regards to proof will be satisfactory for you. God tell us that there is a certain element of faith that needs to be involved; something you are probably unwilling to accept. You demand proof on your own terms and conditions. Proof starts coming in for the Christians after they already submitted to an element of trust and faith. Their daily lives are proof for themselves. Still, there is enough in the world that even a non-believer can come to the conclusion that there is a God. Maybe you should start a new thread or preferably, search for one already open that deals with this topic as they tend to be a dime a dozen.

Ok, I get the whole faith thing, but i can sit here and type up some extremely obscure story about a large rock with eyes that went *poof, there is earth* and it would be just as valid as your god, because that is all god is, made up. So back to the original topic, this is why I think god is flawed, he is man made. You believe in a man made idea as the creator of earth, doesn't seem like anyone, regardless of faith, could possibly prove god to be real, because he is made up to begin with!

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Logical, you not being logical at all. No matter what anyone says, you will continue to have your set views and will not change, there is no sense in debating people like you.

 

[Ringer]

So you just go around telling people that? And that's it? Stick a Bible in their face? How's that any different than the myriad other stories about redeeming god-man sacrifices and gods that sought to "spread" now and in the past?

The people I witness to are those I usually have close relationships with. It's not something I force upon people. It's usually on their own terms that religious topics get brought up. I'll let them know I'm a Christian and leave it up to them to get the ball rolling. It's up to them to accept the task of looking into things on their own. I only take them so far.

I'm not versed on the other "myriad of stories" about a similar offer extended to mankind so I can't answer your other question to any degree of certainty.

 

[Logical]

Logical, you not being logical at all. No matter what anyone says, you will continue to have your set views and will not change, there is no sense in debating people like you.

HOW is that illogical? Please, tell me, because I think what I said was PURE, NO BS, LOGIC!

 

[Don Penguinoini]

HOW is that illogical? Please, tell me, because I think what I said was PURE, NO BS, LOGIC!

My PROOF is that god exists because things happen in a cycle. A cycle needs to be started, as in a bike, you push the medal. for EVERYTHING, there is a generator. The generator of existence is god. There pure plain LOGIC. Now that will not convince you. Because you are so staunch you will not belief in anything, so what is the point of saying anything to you?

EDIT: Please dont take this the wrong way Still buddies ?

 

[roli]

Do you think some religions have flawed the concept of god god?

What God ?
Concerning the Judeo Christian God, the great "I AM"....., absolutely.
Concepts and beliefs of this God seem to be somewhat more esteemed and pursued then finding out the truth of who God actually is, which is found only through the means He sets out in his word.
Such truths concerning the Judeo Christian God can only come about by spiritual conversion through the Holy Ghost, not through intellectual ascenion.
I would have to say that in every religion where men and their doctrines, traditions ,rituals,sets of rules and religious protocol and institutions are regarded and trusted more than spiritual revelation from God alone, it creates division and disenssions among it's congregants and those outside the religious circle and provides an ideal breeding ground for flawed concepts of God.
Flawed men will purpose flawed and erroneous concepts of God, unless God intervenes and enlightens them spiritually through and only through man's own volition for him to do so.
This is par for the course in a society where men set themselves as intellectual gods.
So it is in their inability and ignorance to comprehend this God through their intellect that they assert God to be flawed.

 

[Logical]

My PROOF is that god exists because things happen in a cycle. A cycle needs to be started, as in a bike, you push the medal. for EVERYTHING, there is a generator. The generator of existence is god. There pure plain LOGIC. Now that will not convince you. Because you are so staunch you will not belief in anything, so what is the point of saying anything to you?

EDIT: Please dont take this the wrong way Still buddies ?

That still ignores my statement which I think was pure logic and that many of you just ignore.

 

[Ozzie]

Do you think some religions have flawed the concept of god god?

Only the religious are flawed. God is the Teflon Don.:sarcastic

 

[kai]

Logical

what a ridiculous argument
god doesn't exist!----prove it

god does exist-----prove it

you may as well say --well i said it first so you prove it, your post stated that it was simply made up ,you brought it up so you were asked for a source, its no good answering a question with a question put up or shut up init

 

[Captain Civic]

I can only assume an "extreme atheist" is the godless version of a fundamental Christian.