Incest in your beliefs.

[rusra02]

I am sociopathic, my conscience doesn't say much. So I live by the law of Moses. I am amused that Christians pick and choose what they keep out of the law of Moses.

Most Christians don't keep the Sabbath and many don't even know what day the Sabbath is, except Seventh-day Adventists, Seventh-day Baptists and some of the World Wide Church of God, Christians even pick and choose which of the Ten Commandments they keep. Many Christians pray to images. The law of Moses is a package deal.

Moses never condemned a man having sex with his daughter, he condemned a man having sex with his grand daughter. He implied sex with one's daughter is wrong. If it wasn't for the later rabbis, one could have broken an incest law without knowing it. The later rabbis had to make an implication of Moses explicit for all the sociopaths like me.

Leviticus 18:6 commands: "No man among you should approach any of his close relatives to have sexual relations." That certainly precludes father/daughter incest, IMO. Since the sabbath law was given exclusively to the nation of Israel, Christians are not required to observe weekly sabbaths. Nor are Christians under the Law of Moses, but rather under the Law of Christ. I believe Jehovah expects us to train and use our God-given conscience to act wisely and righteously.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't care about incest, really, as long as it's consensual. Probably not a good idea to have kids with your parent or your kid, or your sibling, though. Lol.

 

[rusra02]

In the list above, Jacob (Israel) married two women sisters to each other, Rachel and Leah, against the incest laws. But he gave his word to marry Rachel, but was tricked by Laban to marry Leah first. So he must have felt it was more important to keep his word as a man which is a command, then to keep that particular incest law.

The Law of Moses was not given until long after Jacob's time. Therefore, no such law existed precluding such marriages.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Leviticus 18:6 commands: "No man among you should approach any of his close relatives to have sexual relations." That certainly precludes father/daughter incest, IMO. Since the sabbath law was given exclusively to the nation of Israel, Christians are not required to observe weekly sabbaths. Nor are Christians under the Law of Moses, but rather under the Law of Christ. I believe Jehovah expects us to train and use our God-given conscience to act wisely and righteously.

Either accept the Ten Commandments or refuse them, but don't claim you keep them, when you don't.

Cause we have the Seven Laws that say nothing of any Sabbath. Get the point?

 

[Brian Schuh]

I don't care about incest, really, as long as it's consensual. Probably not a good idea to have kids with your parent or your kid, or your sibling, though. Lol.

I absolutely agree. If we cannot produce a code of conduct through secular humanism, then our Constitution can't be used to enforce it. "Congress shall make no law," respecting sn institution of religion. Novus Ordo Seclorum. A new secular order. I refuse to have relations with my sister, but I choose to exercise my religion. If you have a sister as hot as mine and no religion, use a condom!

 

[rusra02]

Either accept the Ten Commandments or refuse them, but don't claim you keep them, when you don't.

Cause we have the Seven Laws that say nothing of any Sabbath. Get the point?

As part of the Law of Moses, I believe the Ten Commandments were replaced by the superior Law of the Christ. As Romans 13:8-10 explains: "for whoever loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law. For the law code, “You must not commit adultery, you must not murder, you must not steal, you must not covet,” and whatever other commandment there is, is summed up in this saying: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does not work evil to one’s neighbor; therefore, love is the law’s fulfillment."

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I absolutely agree. If we cannot produce a code of conduct through secular humanism, then our Constitution can't be used to enforce it. "Congress shall make no law," respecting sn institution of religion. Novus Ordo Seclorum. A new secular order. I refuse to have relations with my sister, but I choose to exercise my religion. If you have a sister as hot as mine and no religion, use a condom!

"Novus Ordo Seclorum" actually means "New order of the ages". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novus_ordo_seclorum

 

[Brian Schuh]

The Law of Moses was not given until long after Jacob's time. Therefore, no such law existed precluding such marriages.

Six laws were given to Adam and Eve. The six were repeated to Noah plus 1 making 7. These 7 were repeated at Mt. Sinai for Gentiles plus 613 laws for the Chosen. Later Rabbis added 7 to the 613. Jesus didn't approve of adding 7 laws to the Torah. 1 of the 7 said to wash your hands before eating bread. The Law is eternal.

 

[Brian Schuh]

"Novus Ordo Seclorum" actually means "New order of the ages". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novus_ordo_seclorum

Wrong! It is Latin for New Secular Order. The government is to make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Period.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Wrong! It is Latin for New Secular Order. The government is to make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Period.

You're right about the law, but wrong on the translation. The Wiki article explains it.

 

[Jainarayan]

As part of the Law of Moses, I believe the Ten Commandments were replaced by the superior Law of the Christ. As Romans 13:8-10 explains: "for whoever loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law. For the law code, “You must not commit adultery, you must not murder, you must not steal, you must not covet,” and whatever other commandment there is, is summed up in this saying: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does not work evil to one’s neighbor; therefore, love is the law’s fulfillment."

Matthew 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

As a Pagan, I don't think the gods care about how humans conduct their sex-lives. From a biological and social point of view, incest is obviously a very bad idea, but my gods generally just leave people who have very bad ideas to stew in their own juice.

 

[Brian Schuh]

You're right about the law, but wrong on the translation. The Wiki article explains it.

I was a straight A student through 2 years in Latin. Wikipedia is not credible, I learned that in my first year of college.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I was a straight A student through 2 years in Latin. Wikipedia is not credible, I learned that in my first year of college.

That's nice, but I think I'll go with what Wiki says about it over you.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Matthew 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

"I have not come to destroy the Torah. But to uphold and defend the Torah, for not one vowel point shall pass from the Torah, till all uphold and live it."-- Jesus.

 

[Brian Schuh]

That's nice, but I think I'll go with what Wiki says about it over you.

Are you just a freshman in college?. Wikipedia doesn't always cite sources and admits it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Are you just a freshman in college?. Wikipedia doesn't always cite sources and admits it.

Please cite your sources for your understanding of that translation.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Please cite your sources for your understanding of that translation.

I don't need to cite sources. Seclorum is Latin for secular. I'll cite myself since I passed with flying colors through two years of Latin. You obviously haven't.

 

[arthra]

Among Baha'is we condemn "incest":

It is difficult to imagine a more reprehensible perversion of human conduct than the sexual abuse of children, which finds its most debased form in incest. . . . A parent who is aware that the marriage partner is subjecting a child to such sexual abuse should not remain silent, but must take all necessary measures, with the assistance of the Spiritual Assembly or civil authorities if necessary, to bring about an immediate cessation of such grossly immoral behavior, and to promote healing and therapy.

Letter from the Universal House of Justice, dated January 24, 1993, to an individual believer


There are no specific injunctions about "breast feeding". But I did find a beautiful passage:

"While the children are yet in their infancy feed them from the breast of heavenly grace, foster them in the cradle of all excellence, rear them in the embrace of bounty. Give them the advantage of every useful kind of knowledge. Let them share in every new and rare and wondrous craft and art. Bring them up to strive, and accustom them to hardship."

'Abdu'l-Bahá: Selections from the Writings of 'Abdu'l-Bahá, 1982 ed.,p. 129

There are some specifics..

Bahá'u'lláh states
that it devolves upon the House of Justice to legislate
"concerning the legitimacy or otherwise of marrying one's
relatives" (Q and A 50). 'Abdu'l-Bahá has written that the
more distant the blood-relationship between the couple the
better, since such marriages provide the basis for the
physical well-being of humanity and are conducive to
fellowship among mankind.

....
The Bahá'í teachings on sexual morality centre on
marriage and the family as the bedrock of the whole
structure of human society and are designed to protect and
strengthen that divine institution. Bahá'í law thus restricts
permissible sexual intercourse to that between a man and
the woman to whom he is married.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't need to cite sources.

Cool, disregarded then.