Incest in your beliefs.

[Jabar]

He tried to, as the story in the Shiva Purana goes. It was lust for his daughter, who in this story was Saraswati (elsewhere she is his legitimate consort). Long story short, Shiva was so disgusted he lopped off one of Brahma's 5 heads. Now with each of his 4 mouths Brahma continually recites each of the 4 Vedas in penance. So the story goes.

Does not really portray a God's action.

No offense.

 

[Jainarayan]

Does not really portray a God's action.

No offense.

None taken. Understand that the gods of most polytheistic pantheons have pretty much the same thoughts, desires and activities mortals do. It's just that the gods are greater. We're supposed to learn from them.

 

[Skwim]

I wish you would produce a map of USA broken down into which states and counties permit or forbid beastiality.

Legality of Bestiality in the United States

Key
Idaho Orange: Bestiality is a felony
Alaska Tan: Bestiality is a felony and a misdemeanor
Florida Yellow: Bestiality is a misdemeanor
Texas Gray: Legal or no applicable law.
Source: Wikipedia
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I think it's reasonable to assume that any state law applies to all its counties.

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[Jabar]

None taken. Understand that the gods of most polytheistic pantheons have pretty much the same thoughts, desires and activities mortals do. It's just that the gods are greater. We're supposed to learn from them.

I believe Hindu religion is not polytheistic beliefs.

They all use to believe in One God as Muslims did.

They were Muslims.

"Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures."
[Bhagavad Gita 7:20]

"Ekam evadvitiyam"
"He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1

2. "Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah."
"Of Him there are neither parents nor lord."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2

3. "Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3

"His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4

1 [The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 447 and 448]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 1 ‘The Upanishads part I’ page 93]

2 [The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 745]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page 263.]

3 [The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 736 & 737]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page no 253]

4 [The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 737]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page no 253]

There is much more i can provide.

I am sorry to say but these are tampered faiths.

Do not take any offense, i respect all religions.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Legality of Bestiality in the United States

Key
Idaho Orange: Bestiality is a felony
Alaska Tan: Bestiality is a felony and a misdemeanor
Florida Yellow: Bestiality is a misdemeanor
Texas Gray: Legal or no applicable law.
Source: Wikipedia
​

I think it's reasonable to assume that any state law applies to all its counties.

.​

I don't know what you just helped me prove, but it seems significant. Not all governments in the so called land of the free, including free of religious bias can agree on sexual ethics. That would be the first conclusion, any others?

 

[Riverwolf]

I believe Hindu religion is not polytheistic beliefs.

They all use to believe in One God as Muslims did.

They were Muslims.

"Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures."
[Bhagavad Gita 7:20]

"Ekam evadvitiyam"
"He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1

2. "Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah."
"Of Him there are neither parents nor lord."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2

3. "Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3

"His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4

1 [The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 447 and 448]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 1 ‘The Upanishads part I’ page 93]

2 [The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 745]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page 263.]

3 [The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 736 & 737]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page no 253]

4 [The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 737]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page no 253]

There is much more i can provide.

Uh, dude?

You do realize that you just quoted later texts, right? The earliest texts of the Vedic religion, the Rig Veda Samhitas, point to a largely polytheist one.

In any case, Hinduism isn't a single religion; it's several religions. Some of these religions are polytheist, some monotheist, some henotheist, some panentheist, and at least one that's even atheist.

 

[Jabar]

Uh, dude?

You do realize that you just quoted later texts, right? The earliest texts of the Vedic religion, the Rig Veda Samhitas, point to a largely polytheist one.

In any case, Hinduism isn't a single religion; it's several religions. Some of these religions are polytheist, some monotheist, some henotheist, some panentheist, and at least one that's even atheist.

Yes, i think so.

I know that but officially and truly it is polytheist but like i stated the faiths are tampered with.

Besides it does not matter if it is a later text.

Either way:

"Na tasya Pratima asti"
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]

"Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him"

"O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone."
[Rigveda 8:1:1]10

4. "Devasya samituk parishtutih"
"Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator."
[Rigveda 5:1:81]11

The Atharvaveda praises God in Book 20, hymn 58 and verse 3:
1. "Dev maha osi"
"God is verily great"
[Atharvaveda 20:58:3]9

Brahma Sutra:

"Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan"

"There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit."


Not only that but Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him:

The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be ‘Ahm at hi’ and translated the mantra as "I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father".

2. Prophet was given eternal law, i.e. the Shariah.

3. The Rishi was enlightened by the Shariah of Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an says in Surah Saba Chapter 34 verse 28 (34:28):

"We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not."

A similar prophecy is also found in Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9


Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8

Etc, etc.

 

[Skwim]

I don't know what you just helped me prove, but it seems significant. Not all governments in the so called land of the free, including free of religious bias can agree on sexual ethics. That would be the first conclusion, any others?

For one thing, it points up the fact that states do have a degree of autonomy in what they care to permit and prohibit. As Wikipedia says,

"In American political discourse, states' rights refers to political powers reserved for the U.S. state governments rather than the federal government according to the United States Constitution, reflecting especially the enumerated powers of Congress and the Tenth Amendment. The enumerated powers that are listed in the Constitution include exclusive federal powers, as well as concurrent powers that are shared with the states, and all of those powers are contrasted with the reserved powers—also called states' rights—that only the states possess.


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[Riverwolf]

Yes, i think so.

I know that but officially and truly it is polytheist but like i stated the faiths are tampered with.

Well, I've seen no evidence that this is actually the case. All indications from the Vedas point to the historical Vedic religion (which is only practiced by a very small number of people these days) being polytheist.

"O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone."
[Rigveda 8:1:1]10

Oh, you mean this verse?
GLORIFY naught besides, O friends; so shall no sorrow trouble you.
Praise only mighty Indra when the juice is shed, and say your lauds repeatedly:

Indra is certainly one of the highest of the Devas, but he's a warrior God, not a creator.

4. "Devasya samituk parishtutih"
"Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator."
[Rigveda 5:1:81]11

Hm... that's interesting. Because Book 5, Hymn 1 of the Rig Veda only has 12 verses. Where does this phantom verse 81 come from?

Or does it mean Verse 11? Because that's:
Ascend to-day thy splendid car, O Agni, in splendour, with the Holy Ones around it.
Knowing the paths by mid-air's spacious region bring hither Gods to feast on our oblation.

And this verse clearly speaks of the Fire Deva Agni, and is quite specific that there are many Gods, not just one. In fact, that entire Hymn is about Agni.

You might want to double-check your source's credentials, because it seems like they're not really all that knowledgeable about Hindu Scriptures. In fact, it seems like that source is in the business of outright fabrication.

A similar prophecy is also found in Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9

Which reads:
With all-outstripping chariot-wheel, O Indra, thou far-famed, hast overthrown the twice ten Kings of men,
With sixty thousand nine-and-ninety followers, who came in arms to fight with friendless Suśravas.

Which doesn't look like any prophecy I've ever seen.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8

Etc, etc.

Ah, I remember hearing about this whole "Muhammad was in the Vedas" thing, and seeing it rather well-debunked, back when I practiced Hinduism. You can dig up older threads if you want the details.

BTW, my source for the translations:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/index.htm

 

[Brian Schuh]

For one thing, it points up the fact that states do have a degree of autonomy in what they care to permit and prohibit. As Wikipedia says,

"In American political discourse, states' rights refers to political powers reserved for the U.S. state governments rather than the federal government according to the United States Constitution, reflecting especially the enumerated powers of Congress and the Tenth Amendment. The enumerated powers that are listed in the Constitution include exclusive federal powers, as well as concurrent powers that are shared with the states, and all of those powers are contrasted with the reserved powers—also called states' rights—that only the states possess.


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Right. I don't know about county governments, but a city can make ordinances for behaviors within city limits. Just because prostitution, for example, is legal in Nevada, doesn't mean every county, and it isn't legal within Las Vegas.

Also consider that something can be against Federal law but okay with state law. Example would be marijuana is illegal with the Feds but legal in Colorado. The state of Colorado and the Feds have a certain understanding about taxes among other things. I don't believe Cincinnati allows bestiality although Ohio does.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Even within Noahitism, the law I follow, every community, from a little neighborhood to a county or even a state or province or even a sovereign nation may impose a law with the consent of a majority. The USA seems to live this better than most nations. The idea, like the local cops say, if you don't like the law here, go somewhere where you like the law better. I put it in a simplistic way, I'm sure a legal scholar has better terminology.

 

[Jabar]

Well, I've seen no evidence that this is actually the case. All indications from the Vedas point to the historical Vedic religion (which is only practiced by a very small number of people these days) being polytheist.



Oh, you mean this verse?
GLORIFY naught besides, O friends; so shall no sorrow trouble you.
Praise only mighty Indra when the juice is shed, and say your lauds repeatedly:

Indra is certainly one of the highest of the Devas, but he's a warrior God, not a creator.



Hm... that's interesting. Because Book 5, Hymn 1 of the Rig Veda only has 12 verses. Where does this phantom verse 81 come from?

Or does it mean Verse 11? Because that's:
Ascend to-day thy splendid car, O Agni, in splendour, with the Holy Ones around it.
Knowing the paths by mid-air's spacious region bring hither Gods to feast on our oblation.

And this verse clearly speaks of the Fire Deva Agni, and is quite specific that there are many Gods, not just one. In fact, that entire Hymn is about Agni.

You might want to double-check your source's credentials, because it seems like they're not really all that knowledgeable about Hindu Scriptures. In fact, it seems like that source is in the business of outright fabrication.



Which reads:
With all-outstripping chariot-wheel, O Indra, thou far-famed, hast overthrown the twice ten Kings of men,
With sixty thousand nine-and-ninety followers, who came in arms to fight with friendless Suśravas.

Which doesn't look like any prophecy I've ever seen.



Ah, I remember hearing about this whole "Muhammad was in the Vedas" thing, and seeing it rather well-debunked, back when I practiced Hinduism. You can dig up older threads if you want the details.

BTW, my source for the translations:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/index.htm

It still contains contradictions.

Thus showing that it is not divine in the least bit or has been tampered with.

 

[Skwim]

Right. I don't know about county governments, but a city can make ordinances for behaviors within city limits. Just because prostitution, for example, is legal in Nevada, doesn't mean every county, and it isn't legal within Las Vegas.

Certain counties in Nevada can permit legal prostitution only because the state has allowed them to do so. And from my understanding, these counties can regulate legal prostitution as they see fit, restricting it however they desire.

Also consider that something can be against Federal law but okay with state law. Example would be marijuana is illegal with the Feds but legal in Colorado. The state of Colorado and the Feds have a certain understanding about taxes among other things. I don't believe Cincinnati allows bestiality although Ohio does.

As it now sits the Colorado, Washington, etc laws permitting recreational use of marijuana are in violation of federal laws. That the Federal Government has not moved on these states is interesting, but that there's some kind of understanding between them is misleading. The federal government has simply found it prudent not to pursue the matter, and has left it at that. It has not said to Colorado and Washington: "go ahead."


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[Riverwolf]

It still contains contradictions.

Thus showing that it is not divine in the least bit

How does the existence of contradiction indicate a lack of divinity?

or has been tampered with.

I've seen no indication that this is likely.

 

[Jabar]

How does the existence of contradiction indicate a lack of divinity?



I've seen no indication that this is likely.

This shows a sign of ignorance on your part.

Would a divine being make a mistake?

No indication of alternation?

The fact that it contains contradictions proves it to be illogical concept of God.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Certain counties in Nevada can permit legal prostitution only because the state has allowed them to do so. And from my understanding, these counties can regulate legal prostitution as they see fit, restricting it however they desire.


As it now sits the Colorado, Washington, etc laws permitting recreational use of marijuana are in violation of federal laws. That the Federal Government has not moved on these states is interesting, but that there's some kind of understanding between them is misleading. The federal government has simply found it prudent not to pursue the matter, and has left it at that. It has not said to Colorado and Washington: "go ahead."


.

Just like many big cities have a red light district, whether there is an understanding or if it isn't worth prosecuting, either way it is clear that it is "legal" but over there where we can't see it. It isn't really legal and everyone knows it. Same with illicit narcotics. But I don't know what I'm trying to prove. This seems irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[Riverwolf]

This shows a sign of ignorance on your part.

Then where's the indication that OURS was originally monotheist?

Would a divine being make a mistake?

Sure. All the time. Sometimes even deliberately, just for teh lulz.

How many of the Old Lays have you actually read?

No indication of alternation?

You mean "alteration?" That's just what happens with Time.

The fact that it contains contradictions proves it to be illogical concept of God.

Not really.

 

[Brian Schuh]

This shows a sign of ignorance on your part.

Would a divine being make a mistake?

No indication of alternation?

The fact that it contains contradictions proves it to be illogical concept of God.

Of course a divine being can make a mistake. Even in the Torah, did not God say that he regretted making humankind? But that he would save Noah and his family?

I always believed Hinduism was monotheistic, just that myriads of gods were manifestations of the One.

Am I wrong about that?

 

[Jabar]

Of course a divine being can make a mistake. Even in the Torah, did not God say that he regretted making humankind? But that he would save Noah and his family?

I always believed Hinduism was monotheistic, just that myriads of gods were manifestations of the One.

Am I wrong about that?

The moment a divine being make a mistake, then he is not God.

Haha.

 

[Brian Schuh]

The moment a divine being make a mistake, then he is not God.

Haha.

That depends on our faulty definition of what a god is. Can God make a stone so heavy he can't lift it? Of course he can, then he lifts that same stone. Like a Buddhist conundrum.