Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
If that's the case, then ...
Prepare for war, and plan to conquer.
-paraphrasing Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, and Chanakyacharya
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India Pakistan Sparring
- Thread starter Aupmanyav
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If that's the case, then ...
That you even choose to put it that way shows that "peace" is a very relative term in this context. It is very clear that no true solution to the Hindu-Muslim conflict has been reached, and if anything separatist movements worsen the situation.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Not for us, we are happy. Even the Muslims as far as I know. Is there any facility that is provided to Hindus and is not available to Muslims? They get Haj subsidy and scholarships for which Hindus are not eligible. We have not interfered in their marriage rules. Madarsas are supported by governments at the Center and in the State like any other government school. We even allow them to block roads for prayers on fridays. Even then, if they have grieviances, probably they should think of migrating to Pakistan or Bangladesh.
Sorry, but I think you miss the point. As long as Pakistan is pretty much defined by its perception of "India as it was supposed to be" the conflict will continue to burn.
I don't at all understand what you mean.
Please don't compare the intellectual provisions of sun tzu to the intellectual and moral depravity of Machiavelli.
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
What do you mean by "India as it was supposed to be"?
The paraphrased statement captures their notions regarding war.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Was. Salman Khurshid. This time he was swept away by the Modi wave and an BJP candidate, Mukesh Rajput won. The current Foreign Minister is Sushma Swaraj. But there have been umpteen Muslims Ministers. Ghulam Nabi Azad of Kashmir was the Health Minister in the previous government.Unfortunately, he also capsized in the Modi wave. Saif-ud-din Soz was the Minister for Water Resources. The cable sent by then US Ambassador to India David Mulford to State Department in US, describes Soz as a long standing ‘contact’ of the (US) Embassy’s political section.
We are satisfied with what we have got today and do not covet any part of Pakistan.
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No it doesn't, in matter of fact sun tzu would suggest any and methods be used first. Of course one should allways be prepared. But I just saw this is a dir
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
It most certainly does. Sun Tzu would agree with the concept of preparing for war in the sense as if you were attempting to conquer your enemy absolutely. Plus the fact that any topics about the India-Pakistan conundrum dictate the acknowledgement of the vivid reality that "any and methods" (grammar?) have already been implemented and are continuously implemented---only to be uprooted by the recalcitrance of Pakistani violations of ceasefire agreements.
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
Sun Tzu was wise. Even Indian sages told us to use four methods in that sequence: Sama (Persuation), Dama (Pay), Danda (Punishment), Bheda (Creating dissention).
Sun Tzu was a freakin' G. So was Chanakyacharya. However, both, especially Sun Tzu, are often subjected to exoticism. Sun Tzu, unfortunately, is often praised as a mystic. At the end of the day, Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, and Chanakyacharya were all pragmatic military theorists in regards to operational planning in terms of war. In other words, they were [military] realists. Machiavelli, however, gets a lot of slack, often rightly so, for his other views---views that are often unrelated to military theory. My paraphrased statement, however, was specifically related to warfare.
There is no "victory" to be had in having Muslims and Hindus, or Bharati and Pakistani, thinking continually of each other as dangerous foreigners or kafirs.
At the very best, a provisional tactical advantage that will scare the "others" and motivate them into attempting to dehumanize and scare the others by their turn can be attained. For a while, and a completely absurd price.
MD
qualiaphile
Typical ignorant pro muslim liberal response...Pakistan started all the wars and has been conducting terrorist operations in India for years.
You're a very ignorant person.
MD
qualiaphile
India should somehow acquire the Pakistani nukes and invade the country, breaking it up for good. Give the balochis their land, NWFP joining with Afghanistan and leave a sliver of Punjab for the Pakistani Punjabis. Grab the sindh and repopulate the region with Hindu Sindhis and Gujaratis.
That's the only real viable solution. Either that or Islam as a religion becomes more tolerant and liberal and Pakistan loses it's main identity.
That's the only real viable solution. Either that or Islam as a religion becomes more tolerant and liberal and Pakistan loses it's main identity.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Yes, sure, Syed Akbaruddin is an 1985 batch officer of the Indian Administrative Services. There are many like him in Administrative and Police Services, in every government department of India. After all, our former President APJ Abdul Kalam was the chief executive of the Integrated Guided Missile Development Program. He is one of the most loved persons in India, and even with the underlying differences Muslims have never been discriminated against in India.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Yes, a section of our population dreams about that - the Hindu Mahasabhaites - of Akhand Bharat (Undivided India), but they ignore realities.
And why leave out Pakhtoonkhwa and Afghanistan? As late as 1026 AD, they were part of India (Bhimpala, Hindu Shahi king). Indian Kings ruled over that area even later (Ranjit Singh and the Dogras).
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Hogwash!
Not pro Muslim, but anti pogrom. I object to Kristallnachts whomever they're directed toward.