India Pakistan Sparring

[MD]

Hogwash!
Not pro Muslim, but anti pogrom. I object to Kristallnachts whomever they're directed toward.

Is that how you justify your defense of terrorist states with a history of genocide?

 

[Vinayaka]

Hogwash!
Not pro Muslim, but anti pogrom. I object to Kristallnachts whomever they're directed toward.

You're suggesting India has a pogrom against it's 200 million Muslims?

 

[MD]

You're suggesting India has a pogrom against it's 200 million Muslims?

That's the liberal angle. If anything India has exercised enormous restraint all these years.

Maybe it's time to just finish things once and for all.

 

[Vinayaka]

That's the liberal angle. If anything India has exercised enormous restraint all these years.

No kidding.

 

[Poeticus]

... waiting for that moment when people realize that Gujarat has had brutal communal violence, long before 2002, in 1969 and 1985---both under Congress leadership (and both during a time when Congress ruled the central government as well as Gujarat's state government), and that's just in Gujarat. What about the other states? But no siree! Congress can never do no wrong! Oh, they have hundreds of millions of dollars stashed away in Swiss Bank accounts that they got from corruption scandals? Well, no problem! Oh, Congress was responsible for 1984 when thousands of Sikhs were butchered, Sikhs that were the prime defenders of [recent] India? Well, no problem! Modi is evil incarnate, and that's that! Yessir!

... .

 

[Vinayaka]

... waiting for that moment when people realize that Gujarat has had brutal communal violence, long before 2002, in 1969 and 1985---both under Congress leadership (and both during a time when Congress ruled the central government as well as Gujarat's state government), and that's just in Gujarat. What about the other states? But no siree! Congress can never do no wrong! Oh, they have hundreds of millions of dollars stashed away in Swiss Bank accounts that they got from corruption scandals? Well, no problem! Oh, Congress was responsible for 1984 when thousands of Sikhs were butchered, Sikhs that were the prime defenders of [recent] India? Well, no problem! Modi is evil incarnate, and that's that! Yessir!

... .

And nothing even remotely resembling that in Bangladesh, where one of the highest genocides in history occurred.

 

[Poeticus]

That's the liberal angle. If anything India has exercised enormous restraint all these years.

India is often pedestaled to enormous, irrational extents---truly. The record of violence in its neighboring countries, Pakistan and Bangladesh, especially in regards to violence towards minority groups, is of a much alarming veracity. Yet, violent incidents in those countries are not condemned with the vigor that communal violence in India is often subjected to. It never ceases to amaze me.

For example, America, long priding itself as the beacon of democracy and democratic values, has historically been a strong ally of Pakistan---the very Pakistan that absolved any democratic values it had left when Yahya decimated the decisive mandate East Pakistanis (now Bangladeshis) acquired in retaliation towards Punjabi-dominated West Pakistan in 1971. Not only that, but the West has often supplied such a country with weapons and arms---and truckloads of monetary aid (and this is the country that housed Osama!).

These facts rarely ever make the spotlight, especially in "liberal angles". Instead, the coverage is often on India for some reason that escapes me. It's completely nonsensical, if you ask me.

 

[MD]

These facts rarely ever make the spotlight, especially in "liberal angles". Instead, the coverage is often on India for some reason that escapes me. It's completely nonsensical, if you ask me.

It's pretty obvious, liberalism as a movement is merging with Islamism.

 

[Valjean]

You're suggesting India has a pogrom against it's 200 million Muslims?

Not at all. I'm referencing the historical fact of the 2002 riots in Gujurat and the still unresolved charges that the BJP and Modi had a hand in the affair. I condemn both the murders on the train and the subsequent pogrom.
For that matter, I also condemn the INC's role in the '84 the anti-Sikh riots. I don't care which ethnic community's involved. I condemn acts.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...jarat-riots-timeline.html?_r=0#/#time287_8192

 

[LuisDantas]

India should somehow acquire the Pakistani nukes and invade the country, breaking it up for good. Give the balochis their land, NWFP joining with Afghanistan and leave a sliver of Punjab for the Pakistani Punjabis. Grab the sindh and repopulate the region with Hindu Sindhis and Gujaratis.

That's the only real viable solution. Either that or Islam as a religion becomes more tolerant and liberal and Pakistan loses it's main identity.

That is not a solution at all. That is just unashamed violence, which will unavoidably breed even more violence.

 

[LuisDantas]

Is that how you justify your defense of terrorist states with a history of genocide?

States are just constructs with no substance, and history is made by actions.

There is no way to morally support violence, and certainly a claim that a certain state is terrorist and has a history of genocide does not really even attempt to.

 

[LuisDantas]

That's the liberal angle. If anything India has exercised enormous restraint all these years.

She must, if she wants to find actual solutions.

Maybe it's time to just finish things once and for all.

Such talk is just abhorrent. Do you even realize what you are proposing?

 

[Poeticus]

Not at all. I'm referencing the historical fact of the 2002 riots in Gujurat and the still unresolved charges that the BJP and Modi had a hand in the affair. I condemn both the murders on the train and the subsequent pogrom.
For that matter, I also condemn the INC's role in the '84 the anti-Sikh riots. I don't care which ethnic community's involved. I condemn acts.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...jarat-riots-timeline.html?_r=0#/#time287_8192

Modi was found not guilty by the Supreme Court of India---what part of that is so hard to understand? And the possibility of partiality is not evident since this is the very court that has historically been the stooge of the INC, plus the fact that the INC was ruling the central government at that time when the Supreme Court made its verdict. And I don't doubt that you "condemn acts", it's just that they are often characterized by discrepancies---inconsistent, arbitrary, and selective.

 

[MD]

Not at all. I'm referencing the historical fact of the 2002 riots in Gujurat and the still unresolved charges that the BJP and Modi had a hand in the affair. I condemn both the murders on the train and the subsequent pogrom.
For that matter, I also condemn the INC's role in the '84 the anti-Sikh riots. I don't care which ethnic community's involved. I condemn acts.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...jarat-riots-timeline.html?_r=0#/#time287_8192

YET you don't condemn all the anti minority acts and genocides Pakistan has been conducting for decades.

Strange, you meant to say you condemn Indian acts.

 

[Valjean]

YET you don't condemn all the anti minority acts and genocides Pakistan has been conducting for decades.

Strange, you meant to say you condemn Indian acts.

Bring one up. I'll be happy to condemn it.

 

[Vinayaka]

Over lunch with a friend, we pondered why one mosque destroyed at the hands of Hindus gets more press than 100 000 Hindu temples being destroyed by Muslims.

Bottom line ... the press, and just who controls it, and why.

 

[Vinayaka]

I condemn acts.

So do I.

 

[Poeticus]

Over lunch with a friend, we pondered why one mosque destroyed at the hands of Hindus gets more press than 100 000 Hindu temples being destroyed by Muslims.

Bottom line ... the press, and just who controls it, and why.

If all 900,000,000-1,000,000,000+ Hindus were to vanish, no one would really give a damn. Even though "for debate, India was the most developed of the traditions" (due to the discourse-related nature of pondering and articulation that comes pre-packaged with the Dharmic, Indian faiths), its Dharmic populace, especially that of the Hindus, is utterly worthless. Hundreds and thousands of Dharmic, heathen temples destroyed? No matter! It gets a free pass! After all, they are just subhuman heathens, eh? Oh, what's that you say? That they were very progressive in terms of religious pluralism and the exchange of ideas? Rubbish, I reply! They are worthless heathens! ISIS is so much better---and so egalitarian, too!

*this message was brought to you by the Self-Proclaimed We Have the Moral High Ground Stop Religious Discrimination Committee©​

 

[LuisDantas]

Over lunch with a friend, we pondered why one mosque destroyed at the hands of Hindus gets more press than 100 000 Hindu temples being destroyed by Muslims.

Bottom line ... the press, and just who controls it, and why.

I'm not really certain, but I think it is simply more difficult to make reports of repression in Muslim countries. Reporters can only go so far by hearsay, and they have their own safety to consider as well.

 

[LuisDantas]

If all 900,000,000-1,000,000,000+ Hindus were to vanish, no one would really give a damn. Even though "for debate, India was the most developed of the traditions" (due to the discourse-related nature of pondering and articulation that comes pre-packaged with the Dharmic, Indian faiths), its Dharmic populace, especially that of the Hindus, is utterly worthless. Hundreds and thousands of Dharmic, heathen temples destroyed? No matter! It gets a free pass! After all, they are just subhuman heathens, eh? Oh, what's that you say? That they were very progressive in terms of religious pluralism and the exchange of ideas? Rubbish, I reply! They are worthless heathens! ISIS is so much better---and so egalitarian, too!

*this message was brought to you by the Self-Proclaimed We Have the Moral High Ground Stop Religious Discrimination Committee©​

I realize you are being sarcastic, but... what did you want to illustrate?