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India Pakistan Sparring

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
Right Wing Authoritarianism may put people to work and get the trains to run on time -- initially, but in the long run bad things happen...
... and left-wing pseudo-secularism put thousands of Muslims under horrid conditions (e.g., Maharashtra, UP, Bihar, and Kashmir), and thousands of Sikhs perished in a matter of three days in Delhi. If you are going to take the moral high ground, at least acknowledge the sh*t-stained walls in your palace as well, Seyorni, instead of arbitrarily condemning imaginary enemies.
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
The Nanavati Commission has not seen any reason to call Modi, so I doubt the NY Times know something about Gujarat that the SC don't.
It doesn't matter, since the honorable and never-wrong New York Times (an outlet that publishes anti-Hindu articles all the time) is more credible than the Supreme Court of India. Kind of reminds me of the Colonial Era, when British historians "taught" Indian history to the natives while excluding indigenous narratives (i.e., back-preaching). Post-colonialism studies calls such encroachment as neocolonialism (which is, unsurprisingly, often used synonymously with neo-liberalism; lmao). Don't you know, Don? A news outlet that has no judicial power nor presence is still more credible than a country's constitutionally established supreme court, let alone that country's independently-based judicial committees! ;)
 
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Valjean

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What is left-wing pseudo-secularism? I don't think that's a thing.

That said, I'm an equal-opportunity critic. India's been plagued with a succession of oppressive governments, and I'm happy to condemn violence and injustice whatever its origin.
I honestly hope Modi turns out to be a benign reformer, but RWAs have a bad history...

Maybe I should have kept my previous avatar, people are getting the wrong idea.
 
What is left-wing pseudo-secularism? I don't think that's a thing.

That said, I'm an equal-opportunity critic. India's been plagued with a succession of oppressive governments, and I'm happy to condemn violence and injustice whatever its origin.
I honestly hope Modi turns out to be a benign reformer, but RWAs have a bad history...

Maybe I should have kept my previous avatar, people are getting the wrong idea.

It is very much a thing in India with the Congress Party, Samajwadi Party and Trinamool Congress being its proponents. The name is far fancier than the politics, which entirely consists of consolidating your entire Muslim electorate into a single votebank to win elections.

People have voted for a man who started as a tea seller at a train station to the successful chief minister of India's burgeoning economic state. They also see him, interestingly, as someone who brought law and order to Gujarat after 2002. I wholeheartedly believe his intentions are pure and honest.

If I'm here again in 8 or so years, I can guarantee another NDA government with Modi at the helm will be around.
 
="Poeticus, post: 4057276, member: 46640"]It doesn't matter, since the honorable and never-wrong New York Times (an outlet that publishes anti-Hindu articles all the time) is more credible than the Supreme Court of India. Kind of reminds me of the Colonial Era, when British historians "taught" Indian history to the natives while excluding indigenous narratives (i.e., back-preaching). Post-colonialism studies call such encroachment as neocolonialism (which is, unsurprisingly, often used synonymously with neo-liberalism; lmao). Don't you know, Don? A news outlet that has no judicial power nor presence is still more credible than a country's constitutionally established supreme court, let alone that country's independently-based judicial committees! ;)
Don't I know it... I've never actually understood why the NY times is so Indo/Hindu-phobic. Either way, the government will do what it has to. I hope it makes positive steps. More iimportantly iI hope they're held to account if they do not deliver.

Indeed, highly reminiscent of our own history being denied to us. Having a legitimate government with a leader cleared by his own courts isn't enough for some, and it astounds me.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Right Wing Authoritarianism may put people to work and get the trains to run on time -- initially, but in the long run bad things happen...
Indians have the power in their hands, the vote. Though Modi is what was needed at the moment.
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
Here's more absurdity:

A spokesperson for the Pakistan Foreign Ministry said: "Pakistan condemns in the strongest terms the Indian aggression which resulted in martyrdom of two soldiers of Pakistan Rangers."

Are you kidding me?! Pakistani forces fire first, unprovoked, killing one Indian Jawan. And they characterize an Indian response to be unnecessarily aggressive? The logic of that statement would dictate that it's okay to harm others as long as no one can harm you. That's called hypocrisy---through and through. How about not firing at Indian soldiers in the first place? Is that so difficult to achieve? If you attacked someone, why are you so surprised that they responded?
 
Here's more absurdity:

A spokesperson for the Pakistan Foreign Ministry said: "Pakistan condemns in the strongest terms the Indian aggression which resulted in martyrdom of two soldiers of Pakistan Rangers."

Are you kidding me?! Pakistani forces fire first, unprovoked, killing one Indian Jawan. And they characterize an Indian response to be unnecessarily aggressive? The logic of that statement would dictate that it's okay to harm others as long as no one can harm you. That's called hypocrisy---through and through. How about not firing at Indian soldiers in the first place? Is that so difficult to achieve? If you attacked someone, why are you so surprised that they responded?

If only they didn't have a nuclear arsenal...

The lack of rationality and logic from Pakistan isn't a surprise. I hope India respond with more force for each violation.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
That is the policy of this government. Don't talk about peace till they request it. Reply all aggression with double the force. Two bullets for each one they fire.

Only on the New Year night, another attempt for a Mumbai-like strike was neutralized.

Dec. 31, 2014: A boat starts from Keti Bunder (small port) near Indian order and enters Indian waters going towards the Gujarat port, Porbandar (Mahatma Gandhi was born here). On being challenged by Indian Coast Guard, it tries to escape. Four people were spotted on the boat. When that fails, the men inside cause an explosion and the boat capsizes. Two sailors jumped into the sea but Indian forces did not find any in the darkness of the night.

Pak boat carrying explosives blows up near Gujarat after interception by Coast Guard - Hindustan Times

karachiboat1.jpg
 
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That is the policy of this government. Don't talk about peace till they request it. Reply all aggression with double the force. Two bullets for each one they fire.

Only on the New Year night, another attempt for a Mumbai-like strike was neutralized.

Dec. 31, 2014: A boat starts from Keti Bunder (small port) near Indian order and enters Indian waters going towards the Gujarat port, Porbandar (Mahatma Gandhi was born here). On being challenged by Indian Coast Guard, it tries to escape. Four people were spotted on the boat. When that fails, the men inside cause an explosion and the boat capsizes. Two sailors jumped into the sea but Indian forces did not find any in the darkness of the night.

Pak boat carrying explosives blows up near Gujarat after interception by Coast Guard - Hindustan Times

karachiboat1.jpg

It's simply the terrorist state exporting its most famous produce. What else do they have to do?

The Indian response to cross-firing needs to be merciless to Pak army, however we shouldn't make the mistake they do of firing into heavily populated areas, or shelling into them. The Pakistani Army isn't far of ISIS at times.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
They have fired on Indian villages, so I think it is fair that Indian forces fire on their villages. No, I do not think India is going to bomb Pindi, Islamabad, Lahore or Sialkot at the moment. I am not happy about the way things are happening here. But it seems Pakistan needs a big strike in India. The Non-Resident Indians meet in Gujarat, the upcoming Obama visit (26th January), the Kumbha Mela in Allahabad and other cities, and the Muslim-Hindu government coming up in Kashmir. They will be very disappointed if they are not able to create a havoc somewhere.
 
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They have fired on Indian villages, so I think it is fair that Indian forces fire on their villages. No, I do not think India is going to bomb Pindi, Islamabad, Lahore or Sialkot at the moment. I am not happy about the way things are happening here. But it seems Pakistan needs a big strike in India. The Non-Resident Indians meet in Gujarat, the upcoming Obama visit (26th January), the Kumbha Mela in Allahabad and other cities, and the Muslim-Hindu government coming up in Kashmir. They will be very disappointed if they are not able to create a havoc somewhere.

I understand what you say however I still feel loss of civilian life on their side is still a loss for everyone. I would be in favour of the army retaliating with more than double the force and hopefully see the Pakistani army see sense. Force is the only language they appear to know despite ironically accusing of this.

It's in the nation ethos, hatred of India justifies and provides sense to their existence. What else are we to expect?
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I agree with your reading. Without hatred for non-Muslims, Pakistan has no raison-d'etre for its existence.
 
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