Inference and Assumption

[sojourner]

This literally makes no sense . Again if you read the bible as if its not true then what do you expect ?

When did I say that I read the Bible as if it’s not true? The Bible contains a whole lot of truth. It also contains a lot of fiction that point us toward truth.

 

[John1.12]

No, this is the result of years of graduate study in the Bible, and years of scholastic inquiry and discovery into the nature of the Bible. I’ve read the Bible more than you can possibly imagine.

And yet your talking nonsense about it . I would say your years of graduate study in the Bible, and years of scholastic inquiry and discovery into the nature of the Bible , is the problem. You've been taught . Its no different than a Catholic going off to learn about the bible at a Catholic seminary . He's taught.

 

[John1.12]

When did I say that I read the Bible as if it’s not true? The Bible contains a whole lot of truth. It also contains a lot of fiction that point us toward truth.

Could you give me an example of this fiction ? And how do you know which bits are true considering your claims of editing and redaction ?

 

[sojourner]

And yet your talking nonsense about it . I would say your years of graduate study in the Bible, and years of scholastic inquiry and discovery into the nature of the Bible , is the problem. You've been taught . Its no different than a Catholic going off to learn about the bible at a Catholic seminary . He's taught.

And your assessment is undergirded by what knowledge and authority? Or is this simply unfounded opinion?

 

[sojourner]

Could you give me an example of this fiction ? And how do you know which bits are true considering your claims of editing and redaction ?

The entire bit about Israel in Egypt is not historically factual. There is nothing in the archaeological record to support it, and a lot to discount it.

The story does point to spiritual truths. But the facts simply aren’t corroborated.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The entire bit about Israel in Egypt is not historically factual. There is nothing in the archaeological record to support it, and a lot to discount it.

The story does point to spiritual truths. But the facts simply aren’t corroborated.

http://www.simchajtv.com/statue-of-biblical-joseph-found-story-covered-up/
I have found 2 different views and findings

 

[sojourner]

http://www.simchajtv.com/statue-of-biblical-joseph-found-story-covered-up/
I have found 2 different views and findings

So what do you make of the fact that there is 0 archaeological evidence for a mass invasion of Israelites into Canaan following the Exodus? 0. This implies that the Israelites had always been in Canaan.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So what do you make of the fact that there is 0 archaeological evidence for a mass invasion of Israelites into Canaan following the Exodus? 0. This implies that the Israelites had always been in Canaan.

Any time someone has said 0 archeological evidence of something I know is fact out of the Bible, at some point they’ve been proven wrong. Personally I met God myself, then He led me to the Scriptures. After He made Himself known to me I had no reason to question Him or His Word. As I told people similar to you about what He did is when I started looking into that.

 

[sojourner]

Any time someone has said 0 archeological evidence of something I know is fact out of the Bible, at some point they’ve been proven wrong. Personally I met God myself, then He led me to the Scriptures. After He made Himself known to me I had no reason to question Him or His Word. As I told people similar to you about what He did is when I started looking into that.

Religious experiences have nothing to do with the veracity of the archaeological record.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Religious experiences have nothing to do with the veracity of the archaeological record.

Didn’t say they did, where did you get that from?

 

[sojourner]

Didn’t say they did, where did you get that from?

From your post above.

 

[ElishaElijah]

From your post above.

You read it wrong

 

[sojourner]

You read it wrong

Then your comment about personally meeting God is non sequitur.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Then your comment about personally meeting God is non sequitur.

Then your comment about personally meeting God is non sequitur.

I was merely saying I came to know God in a different way than you are and had no reason to doubt the Bible or God. I’m not a scientist or archeologist and it wasn’t until people brought up the “there is no evidence” comments that I started looking into these claims. I’ve found these claims to be false. For example if archeology found the walls of Jericho and determined they fell by an earthquake and then concluded the story was false then I would say that conclusion was wrong and the biblical narrative correct.
The Walls of Jericho

 

[PureX]

I just read what you wrote and through normal reading comprehension I understood you . You were able to communicate what you meant. Why is the bible different ?

Most biblical script is a different style of writing. It's more poetic, symbolic, and mythical, because it's addressing a subject that's far more abstract and theoretical: theology. Also, I'm a cultural contemporary, writing in your time, place, and language.

 

[John1.12]

Most biblical script is a different style of writing. It's more poetic, symbolic, and mythical, because it's addressing a subject that's far more abstract and theoretical: theology. Also, I'm a cultural contemporary, writing in your time, place, and language.

Could you give an example?

 

[Faithofchristian]

you know there are certain things in the bible that are not written down..to under what is not written down takes Spiritual discernment to understand..

As written in
1 Corinthians 2:14--"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned"

Therefore, there are many things in the bible which are not written down..which takes Spiritual discernment to understand by the Spirit of God.
Take for instance in the book of
John 20:11-12,
As Mary stoop down and look into the tomb, Mary saw two angles..
One sitting at the head and One sitting at the feet where the body of Jesus Christ had laid..
Now this will take Spiritual discernment to understand..
What are the two angles revealing in the way that their sitting..
So you see there are things in the bible which are not written down...that takes Spiritual discernment to understand what the Spirit of God is saying in the Spiritual realm of things..

 

[BilliardsBall]

In Conversation with other Christians and even non Christians ,it seems as though a lot of what they believe is not always what the bible actually says.
What i mean by this is when someone will say the bible ' teaches ' this and that ,when this is often at the cost of what the bible actually SAYS . A lot of the time its usually 'inference ' . " oh I know it doesn't say such and such ,but this is what it really means. And I'm not talking about difficult things like the trinity ,in which we will struggle with as its something that we do not experience in our limited dimension/ experience. I'm referring to the basics , the essentials in which we should expect God to have wanted to be understood plainly .
Syllogism, Inference , assumption and deduction seems to be the slippery approach to the bible in which we can almost make the verses say what we want because we reading INTO the verses instead of allowing the bible to SAY what it means .
Non Christians do this when they already have a presupposition/ paradigm / worldview ,and they approach the bible and instead of reading what the bible SAYS they will impose an interpretation because they feel its inferring something they already believe . Sadly Christians also do this . Were all not immune from presuppositions and our minds tend to fill in what we already assume through bias ect . But let's test if we believe what we believe by what the bible SAYS .
Take what you believe about the bible and see if what you believe there is a verse or verses that SAY what you believe . Of course context matters . The who , what, when why and where questions apply and normal reading comprehension .
You can also test me if I can back up what I believe by demonstrating by what the bible SAYS and not always what is inferred or assumed .

Yes, this is a given for a book that teaches wisdom and how to think through a near-infinite variety of decisions and choices. For example, Christians with strong faith can eat food sacrificed to idols. So is there an application for a Christian who wants to watch a film rated R due to language or violence? Of course there is.

While I strongly believe in Bible fidelity and inerrancy, your post could also say, "Why should Christians think or decide or judge anything when they have a book that makes decisions in gray areas for them?"

 

[Faithofchristian]

in the beginning......

and you are given the notion of Spirit
moving about in what is called .....the void

the heavens and earth are without form.......and void

science would have you believe.....nothing moves with out something to move it
science would have you believe.....a primordial singularity

what do you assume?.......came first

If you had read Genesis 1:2 with understanding the Greek translation for the word ( was)
The proper Greek translation for the word
( was ) is ( became )
Therefore the earth became without form, and void)
Therefore what happened to the earth for the earth to became without form and void..
God didn't create the earth to be without form and void..so what happened..
The answer to this lays within the pages of the bible/scriptures..

 

[Thief]

If you had read Genesis 1:2 with understanding the Greek translation for the word ( was)
The proper Greek translation for the word
( was ) is ( became )
Therefore the earth became without form, and void)
Therefore what happened to the earth for the earth to became without form and void..
God didn't create the earth to be without form and void..so what happened..
The answer to this lays within the pages of the bible/scriptures..

I got it......up front

the earth (substance) was with out form

what we know as this solar system......came much later