Insight: Why some people don't wear masks

[Polymath257]

I am willing to more than assume …..
our efforts in public are superficial
and the effort may actually be doing harm

it spreads by contact more so than any other means

so the guy ahead of you handles a labeled item and puts it back
you're next

the money in your pocket......ooops

the door with a push plate......ooops
the door with a pull grip.....oooops

workplace fans?.....oh yeah
one sneeze and the whole department gets a sample

and I truly believe the damn thing is air borne
as such can drift into the upper air currents

you think it dies for lack of flesh?

Looks like a very good reason to wear a mask (it being airborne) and to wash hands and use sanitizer on doors (because of contact transfer).

I am *very* careful about touching door handles, usually doing so with some type of wipe or *immediately* washing the hand that touched the handle.

Work place fans? Very bad idea. Of course, there shouldn't be that many people crowded together indoors anyway.

Long term survival in air currents? Not so much. If it were, we would see a *very* different pattern of infection. Same goes for mosquito transmission, for example.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

And to say they are ignorant and acting in a foolhardy way isn't being 'negative': it is being honest and, maybe, hoping they will change their behavior. And, if they put others at risk, then calling them a jerk is the minimum comment I see as appropriate.

Shrugs. I like the word ignorant better than jerk. Ignorant is more lack of knowledge. Unfortunately, it's used as a derogatory word. Jerk doesn't have that flexibility. It's negative no matter how you spin it. Kind of like (an extreme) saying n* but justifying it as an opinion rather than an insult. I guess some words can be used in context.

 

[Thief]

Looks like a very good reason to wear a mask (it being airborne) and to wash hands and use sanitizer on doors (because of contact transfer).

I am *very* careful about touching door handles, usually doing so with some type of wipe or *immediately* washing the hand that touched the handle.

Work place fans? Very bad idea. Of course, there shouldn't be that many people crowded together indoors anyway.

Long term survival in air currents? Not so much. If it were, we would see a *very* different pattern of infection. Same goes for mosquito transmission, for example.

I could not help but notice.....
from the onset in China it covered the globe really fast

humans are quick
but the upper atmosphere is like 300miles per hr
and it doesn't let up

there's is no stopping it
your turn is coming

 

[Polymath257]

Shrugs. I like the word ignorant better than jerk. Ignorant is more lack of knowledge. Unfortunately, it's used as a derogatory word. Jerk doesn't have that flexibility. It's negative no matter how you spin it. Kind of like (an extreme) saying n* but justifying it as an opinion rather than an insult. I guess some words can be used in context.

And if too many people are aggressively ignorant, then maybe the law needs to step in and make things mandatory instead of recommended.

And, yes, even if you are ignorant and put someone else at risk, you still qualify as being a jerk in my mind. There are times when people are negligent if they have remained ignorant. And once they are negligent, and put someone else at risk, they are jerks.

 

[Polymath257]

I could not help but notice.....
from the onset in China it covered the globe really fast

humans are quick
but the upper atmosphere is like 300miles per hr
and it doesn't let up

there's is no stopping it
your turn is coming

Airplanes

 

[Thief]

Airplanes

too slow
and they stop moving every so often

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This is pretty much my issue here

Both sides have their issues

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Why the negativity and names?

All people are ignorant about a lot of things.

But only some are a danger to others.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Read the other replies. I never said I didn't wear them around others.

Do you agree that refusal to wear a mask when around others is irresponsible?

 

[Tambourine]

What new fact made they change their minds about the masks?

I don't know exactly, but presumably it was the same reasons that are currently being cited to advocate mask usage.

Do you have a different explanation?

 

[Koldo]

I don't know exactly, but presumably it was the same reasons that are currently being cited to advocate mask usage.

Do you have a different explanation?

Shortage of masks. There simply weren't sufficient masks in the market. Therefore it was more convenient to say they weren't particularly effective. If we knew that masks weren't particularly effective though, doctors wouldn't be wearing them from the very start.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Do you agree that refusal to wear a mask when around others is irresponsible?

No. Never did. You guys read into my opinions too much. Got to read my posts.

I know others say that even call people idiots. That's not my personality to call names and tell people what they are doing wrong if I know it has some justification behind it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

But only some are a danger to others.

Depends. Unless people are so close that the virus jumps on another, it's more about distance. Im at less risk of "danger" to others when I'm not around a sick person than assuming the mask will 100% protect me even when I'm close. I read somewhere in OP I think that it can give one a false sense of security. Of course doctors would know more of the physiological logistics but not psychological; and the fact is they're human too.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

And if too many people are aggressively ignorant, then maybe the law needs to step in and make things mandatory instead of recommended.

And, yes, even if you are ignorant and put someone else at risk, you still qualify as being a jerk in my mind. There are times when people are negligent if they have remained ignorant. And once they are negligent, and put someone else at risk, they are jerks.

For how long?

The virus won't poof from thin air. Hopefully if they find a cure in the far future it would help to cure other lung illnesses.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Intelligent people elect to wear masks in public. For everyone else it's the law.

That is a fantastic distinction to make. For me, nothing has changed. Because I don't know if I'm carrying or not, and I don't know what the virus would do to those I come into contact with. And I know it's not just asymptomatic, light and minor symptoms, or death. There is a nasty illness also possible, and it may be possible in some it has been the onset of lifelong fatigue syndromes. They really don't know yet, but they do know some people seem to take several weeks to recover fully (not just being clear of the virus), some even longer. And regardless of how we look at how much deadlier it is compared to this and that, it has killed way more than the flu and 120,000 with more to come is a lot of people.

 

[oldbadger]

Why would it be embarassing for them to change their minds in the face of facts?

Because some humans are embarrassed to admit mistakes, and Boffins are human.

I don't know about you, but personally, I'd rather have experts and leaders doing that, than the opposite, i.e. stubbornly clinging to opinions that have been refuted by contrary evidence.

Put any group of experts in the same room and you'll often get a variation in opinions. They all put forward their evidence. Which evidence is right?

 

[oldbadger]

Oh. Wow. I live with the elderly and the office doesn't seem to enforce masks for residents but for visitors. It's a tough call but no one hugs anymore and they Dodge and weave so I carry it with me for stores.

But those are silly reasons not to wear them.

Oh, my list wife's colleagues' list of moans?
Sure. They still must wear them. It's the law now, here, that masks must be worn in certain environs. Quite a turn around.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh, wow. Don't know about that. I can count the amount of people not wearing masks on one hand here. While smoking, while jogging, in their cars, crossing the street. We don't need to at out fitness club fr health reasons but one or two do. Depends on the nachibe they use etc.

You wouldn't have to necessarily wear a mask for any of those things here, provided you maintain your distance (going on walks I don't wear mine and I hop out into the road to keep my distance).
And how does not wearing a mask in the car count?

Every person is different.

Not really. Culturally, biologically, health, intelligence, all things considered most people will be average and there won't be that much difference between them. Sure, some will have various genetic mutations that will effect treatment options, but when it comes to health and epidemiology people are people, and where there is significant difference is with age and various high-risk medical groups. And with Covid there has been no "every person is different." No symptoms, minor symptoms, severe symptoms, life threatening symptoms, and death. Other than those handful of high-risk groups, to our best knowledge we are all equal and playing Russian Viral Roullete with our chances, because we don't know and thus can't predict how covid will effect someone based on their genetic makeup.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I didn't create the virus

shame on God?

You are telling people the masks don't work (which can have consequences for people who aren't you), and taking a very coldhearted approach in just letting people get sick and die instead of using our abilities and means to preserve life.
If that isn't an example of shameful behavior then apparently I don't know the definition of the word.

 

[Quagmire]

Here's what these conversations are starting to look like to me:

----"Here, put this mask on. It'll help stop the spread of the covid 19 virus"

"But I heard that a mask won't prevent me from catching it"

----"The mask isn't to protect you, it's to keep you from spreading it to other people"

"Other people? What are 'other people' "

---"Better yet, let's just tie this tourniquet around your throat".

"Will that help"?

---"Couldn't hurt".