Insulting?

[Jumi]

I meant not allowed by Islamic teachings not by a country. This is one of those sins that have no punishment in this life.

I was actually supporting your argument here, not disagreeing. It's nice to agree!

 

[Smart_Guy]

I was actually supporting your argument here, not disagreeing. It's nice to agree!

I knew your reply was in my favor. I just had fears what I said was understood differently

 

[Jumi]

I knew your reply was in my favor. I just had fears what I said was understood differently

I understand what you mean. There's sometimes that doubt that people take what we say the wrong way, especially when we're speaking in foreign language here.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I understand what you mean. There's sometimes that doubt that people take what we say the wrong way, especially when we're speaking in foreign language here.

It is a specific psychological problem I have, really. I worry too much at how other perceive my actions. I worry too much that they would misunderstand me. This makes me extend explanations often.
By the way, I don't mind disagreement. I'm always open to respectful disagreement and criticism

 

[leibowde84]

Is some believer using their religion's moral/law to judge/comdemn/preaching to non-believer itself sometimes filling with insult?

You're evil.
You're sinner.
You're immoral.
You're abomination.
You're blind for not seeing a specific god's existence.
... etc

Don't let anyone get away with bologna like this!!

 

[Jumi]

It is a specific psychological problem I have, really. I worry too much at how other perceive my actions. I worry too much that they would misunderstand me. This makes me extend explanations often.
By the way, I don't mind disagreement. I'm always open to respectful disagreement and criticism

I know man, I know you worry too much. I always found your style pleasant and something most of us can learn from.

I too sometimes worry I'm taken the wrong way, but it can't be helped if someone does.

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Could you please provide a source for the Islamic part?

My information is that it is not allowed only. No heathen-ry and no beheading.

Alan Henning ?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Alan Henning ?

Nope, this is Smart Guy

 

[JoStories]

It is a specific psychological problem I have, really. I worry too much at how other perceive my actions. I worry too much that they would misunderstand me. This makes me extend explanations often.
By the way, I don't mind disagreement. I'm always open to respectful disagreement and criticism

Me too Smart Guy but to be honest, I have not seen a lot of respectful disagreement here of late. Mostly all I am seeing is proselytizing and people being rude to others. What is up with that my friend?

 

[Pudding]

Don't let anyone get away with bologna like this!!

What do you mean?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Me too Smart Guy but to be honest, I have not seen a lot of respectful disagreement here of late. Mostly all I am seeing is proselytizing and people being rude to others. What is up with that my friend?

Yes, I've bee thru some of those too. I guess it is easier to notice disrespect and have its effect haunting us. It puzzles me too seeing that kinda behavior by supposedly civilized individuals.

But I will not let that allow me to get out of character and ignore my nature and teachings in tolerating disrespect. Who knows, maybe tolerance would get something good thru to the disrespectful. I also won't allow it to forget the good RF people that chose to take the respectful approach. Those good people know themselves very well

 

[leibowde84]

What do you mean?

If someone is using their religious beliefs as a weapon to judge others with, they need a reality check.

 

[JoStories]

Yes, I've bee thru some of those too. I guess it is easier to notice disrespect and have its effect haunting us. It puzzles me too seeing that kinda behavior by supposedly civilized individuals.

But I will not let that allow me to get out of character and ignore my nature and teachings in tolerating disrespect. Who knows, maybe tolerance would get something good thru to the disrespectful. I also won't allow it to forget the good RF people that chose to take the respectful approach. Those good people know themselves very well

This is how I try to be here as well Smart Guy and it has afforded me the opportunity to call quite a few here friends, albeit board friends. And why not? I don't care if one is Jewish, Muslim, Christian or pink with purple polka dots. I just want kind and friendly debate without rancor. I guess for some that is a difficult task.

 

[JoStories]

If someone is using their religious beliefs as a weapon to judge others with, they need a reality check.

Amen. Yet another SFM card my dear.

 

[Pudding]

If someone is using their religious beliefs as a weapon to judge others with, they need a reality check.

If some people disagree with the beliefs's claims and have reasonable argument that why they think so, plus have the interest to voice their opinion againts it, i think it's reasonable for them to do so.

 

[leibowde84]

If some people disagree with the beliefs's claims and have reasonable argument that why they think so, plus have the interest to voice their opinion againts it, i think it's reasonable for them to do so.

That is all well and good, but I think that anyone who uses religious beliefs to condemn others, using words like "abomination" or attempt to speak for God, the only honorable/reasonable reaction is absolute ridicule. We don't have to put up with hateful dogma anymore. The old notion that religious beliefs must be accepted as a part of society is dying off ... and I couldn't be more happy about that.

 

[Pudding]

That is all well and good, but I think that anyone who uses religious beliefs to condemn others, using words like "abomination" or attempt to speak for God, the only honorable/reasonable reaction is absolute ridicule. We don't have to put up with hateful dogma anymore. The old notion that religious beliefs must be accepted as a part of society is dying off ... and I couldn't be more happy about that.

How does a believer preach to non-believer (intentions is to help non-believer) without condemn/hateful dogma when this condemn/hateful dogma is from their religion god's words, or is from their interpretation to their god's words which this interpretation is inspire/enlighten/guide by their god?

 

[leibowde84]

How does a believer preach to non-believer (intentions is to help non-believer) without condemn/hateful dogma when this condemn/hateful dogma is from their religion god's words, or is from their interpretation to their god's words which this interpretation is inspire/enlighten/guide by their god?

If they are allowed to condemn others for breaking rules that go against their subjective religious beliefs, it is only fair that I should be able to condemn/ridicule them for holding discriminatory views based on nothing more than faith. It would be completely unreasonable any other way. They are of course free to "preach", but I am free to "preach" as well, right? In the same way that they are trying to "help" homosexuals by teaching them that God doesn't like their way of life, I am trying to "help" them by pointing out that their subjective belief about God's will is misguided.

 

[Pudding]

If they are allowed to condemn others for breaking rules that go against their subjective religious beliefs, it is only fair that I should be able to condemn/ridicule them for holding discriminatory views based on nothing more than faith. It would be completely unreasonable any other way. They are of course free to "preach", but I am free to "preach" as well, right? In the same way that they are trying to "help" homosexuals by teaching them that God doesn't like their way of life, I am trying to "help" them by pointing out that their subjective belief about God's will is misguided.

You're right.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Is some believer using their religion's moral/law to judge/comdemn/preaching to non-believer itself sometimes filling with insult?

You're evil.
You're sinner.
You're immoral.
You're abomination.
You're blind for not seeing a specific god's existence.
... etc

Insults are a part of life.
Getting offended is a part of life.

If someone can't handle it, too bad for that someone.