Insurrectionist removed from office under the 14th amendment.

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The difference is in the intent. What was the intent of the rioting at the Capitol? Why were the rioters there?

Their intent was to overturn the results of the election and, if necessary, to kill people to make that happen.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Where is that brick wall emoji when we need it?

 

[Truth in love]

So you don't trust the courts to make fair decisions? Then you are part of the problem.

Courts are now perfect?
The courts saying “you have no standing” = “we’ve reviewed the evidence and there is no case”

and you saying the problem?

 

[Truth in love]

A violent riot directed against the central seat of the Federal Government, and including forcible entry of the premises, and threatening behaviour towards elected officials seems kinda insurection-ish.

Must be a subtle distinction I'm missing.

Scale leaps to mind.

 

[Truth in love]

The difference is in the intent. What was the intent of the rioting at the Capitol? Why were the rioters there?

from what I can find form various statements collected the majority where peaceful protesters.

A small group of agitators tried to ramp things up( some evidence that at least one was an on the FBI patrol).

It was a riot and bad stuff happened, but how does anyone think stomping through the capitol was meant to overthrow the government?

 

[Polymath257]

Banana republic. Calling Jan 6 an insurrection is disinformation.

It was an attempted coup. Those that entered the Capitol on January 6 violated the law and were insurrectionists, pure and simple.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

from what I can find form various statements collected the majority where peaceful protesters.

A small group of agitators tried to ramp things up( some evidence that at least one was an on the FBI patrol).

It was a riot and bad stuff happened, but how does anyone think stomping through the capitol was meant to overthrow the government?

They were there because they were explicitly told the election was fraudulent and that members of Congress were knowingly complicit in that fraud, and under the specific understanding that Mike Pence was an individual directly responsible for ratifying the vote but could choose not to do so.

They also built a gallows and chanted to kill Mike Pence specifically for this reason.

Also, it's very telling that you would dub an assembly of people gathering around the capital building with the explicit intention of halting a democratic election result from being ratified a "peaceful protest" with only a "small group of agitators". The whole reason they were there was to literally overturn the election. That's what the whole gathering was about, even the parts of it who did not enter the capitol building. There is literally no disputing this if you live in reality. Unless you think it's just a coincidence that this particular group of supporters just so happened to hold their protest in this very specific place on this very specific date after hearing very specific instructions on how they should protest an election they had been told was fraudulent.

 

[Polymath257]

Mr. Griffin should appeal. A ruling from the Supreme Court that whatever happened on January 6th was not legally an insurrection would be stunning.

of course it was. It took over a seat of government to stop legal operations of that governmental body. The goal was to change the person in power.

How is that *not* an insurrection?

 

[Polymath257]

No, it’s a fact that a bunch of politicians and operatives want there to have been an insurrection. They turned a blind eye to many riots, massive damage and an assault on the White House and are making a mountain out of a mole hill for Jan 6. Please have some evidence before claiming fact.

It was hardly a molehill. It was a forceful takeover of a seat of government with the goal of changing who is in power. That makes it an insurrection.

 

[Twilight Hue]

When was it ruled in court that it was an insurrection? I can't find any cases of a Jan. 6th rioter being convicted on charges of insurrection, only other related felonies.

That's a good point. I never heard any formal declaration that an insurrection occurred. Only alleged determinations. AFAIK

 

[Polymath257]

Really 75 or so million supporters, military at this commend and mr big ego Trump was going to rely on grandma and a guy in buckskins to overthrow the US Government??

That Trump is an idiot doesn't change the fact that it was an insurrection.

 

[Polymath257]

from what I can find form various statements collected the majority where peaceful protesters.

Anyone who illegally entered the Capitol on that day was a traitor.

 

[Polymath257]

It's arguable they were trying to protect their freedoms.

Misguided definitely. Traitors? I don't think so.

Their goal was to prevent the legal operation of Congress by taking over and threatening those duly elected. Their goal was to overturn a legal election and put their guy in charge.

That makes them traitors.

 

[Polymath257]

Scale leaps to mind.

Irrelevant that it was poorly planned. It was still an insurrection designed to overthrow an election.

 

[Revoltingest]

It was a riot and bad stuff happened, but how does anyone think stomping through the capitol was meant to overthrow the government?

Circumstances make intentions more than a mere riot,
eg, intending to hang Pelosi & Pence, Trump's claim of
stolen election.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Their goal was to prevent the legal operation of Congress by taking over and threatening those duly elected. Their goal was to overturn a legal election and put their guy in charge.

That makes them traitors.

That's entirely a matter of perspective.

Many see themselves as Patriots defending the country's constitution from a political party that regularly attacks it.

 

[Truth in love]

It was an attempted coup. Those that entered the Capitol on January 6 violated the law and were insurrectionists, pure and simple.

They were trespassing that is clear.

However I’ve yet to see any evidence that their actions would have resulted in a coup.


On the other hand we do know that the Obama admin, Clinton campaign and parts of the DOJ did illegal things by a to try to overturn Trumps election. Going to support that being investigated as well a grandma taking an unauthorized tour?

 

[Truth in love]

That Trump is an idiot doesn't change the fact that it was an insurrection.

Where is the evidence that peope were planning in mass to overthrow the federal government?

 

[Truth in love]

Anyone who illegally entered the Capitol on that day was a traitor.

I see and those who while in office abused the FISA system for their political gain what of them?

 

[Truth in love]

Irrelevant that it was poorly planned. It was still an insurrection designed to overthrow an election.

Lol So if so can claim that someone wanted to reverse election results that now treason.