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Intellectual Defense of Christianity.

Jordan Kurecki

Jordan Kurecki

Servant of Jesus Christ
Sapiens said:

Do you know what an "ad hominim" is or do you think that using the only latin phrase you know makes you appear intelligent? (BTW: That's known as a "loaded question).

Comfort is every bit as dumb as Cameron and you're a plagiarist.

There is no ad hominim there, but I wouldn't expect you to grasp that. When you supply a reference as the basis for your statements, as in: "Facts on the bible taken from:Cameron, Kirk, and Ray Comfort. The School of Biblical Evangelism: 101 Lessons: How to Share Your Faith Simply, Effectively, Biblically-- the Way Jesus Did. Gainseville, FL: Bridge-Logos, 2004. Print." you are taking on the full weight of any criticism that the reference engenders. According to the reference Cameron is the first author so, if you can believe the reference, he has more responsibility for the content that Comfort, yet you say that, "Cameron barely contributes to the book." How many lies do we have to swallow from you?
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Every chapter has about a 3-4 sentence introduction by Cameron with his name at the end of each introduction signifying he wrote the sentences.. I would call that barely contributing.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
roger1440 said:
A noun is a person, place or thing. A proper noun is a specific person, place or thing. When the word bible is used simply as an authoritative book such as a fishermen’s bible it is lower case. When the word bible is used for a set of specific books such as the Christian Bible, Jewish Bible, Catholic Bible or Protestant Bible is it upper case.

Bible - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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"Specific" and "proper" are not synonymous. You're confusing proper noun with proper name.
Since "bible" is a descriptor, like "library," and not a name, like "Mayberry Library," it is not capitalized; even though it's a proper noun, it's not a proper name. Because it's not a specific book; it's a collection of specific books. And it's only one of several collections of these specific books. IOW, there is no "the Bible." Not when there's a RC bible, an Orthodix bible, a Protestant bible, an Ethiopian bible, a Coptic bible, etc.
 
roger1440

roger1440

I do stuff
sojourner said:
"Specific" and "proper" are not synonymous. You're confusing proper noun with proper name.
Since "bible" is a descriptor, like "library," and not a name, like "Mayberry Library," it is not capitalized; even though it's a proper noun, it's not a proper name. Because it's not a specific book; it's a collection of specific books. And it's only one of several collections of these specific books. IOW, there is no "the Bible." Not when there's a RC bible, an Orthodix bible, a Protestant bible, an Ethiopian bible, a Coptic bible, etc.
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Merriam-Webster Dictionary does not agree with you.
 
roger1440

roger1440

I do stuff
sojourner said:
"Specific" and "proper" are not synonymous. You're confusing proper noun with proper name.
Since "bible" is a descriptor, like "library," and not a name, like "Mayberry Library," it is not capitalized; even though it's a proper noun, it's not a proper name. Because it's not a specific book; it's a collection of specific books. And it's only one of several collections of these specific books. IOW, there is no "the Bible." Not when there's a RC bible, an Orthodix bible, a Protestant bible, an Ethiopian bible, a Coptic bible, etc.
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  1. You should always capitalize proper nouns and words formed from them; do not capitalize common nouns. The following are types of words that you should usually capitalize

  • Names for the deity, religions, religious followers, sacred books – God, Buddha, Allah, Christianity, Muslims, Bible, Torah
https://www.umuc.edu/writingcenter/writingresources/capital.cfm
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
roger1440 said:
  1. You should always capitalize proper nouns and words formed from them; do not capitalize common nouns. The following are types of words that you should usually capitalize

  • Names for the deity, religions, religious followers, sacred books – God, Buddha, Allah, Christianity, Muslims, Bible, Torah
https://www.umuc.edu/writingcenter/writingresources/capital.cfm
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I see. So when I talk about "my wife" (a proper noun, according to you), I should say, "my Wife." Or I ought to say, "I'm going to the Library." Or, "Honey, go get me that Can of Soup."

Ludicrous. Proper names, not proper nouns, are capitalized.
If we say, "I'm going to the Mayberry Library," that's a proper name. If we say, "I'm going to the library," it's still a proper noun, but no longer a proper name, and is not capitalized. In the same way, "bible" is a proper noun, but not a proper name.

The University of Maryland is wrong. I'll pit that against Phillips Theological Seminary who says that "bible" isn't capitalized.

When you go to a bookstore to buy War and Peace, you say, "I need War and Peace." When you go to buy a bible, you say, "I need a bible." Note the difference? the indefinite article "a" designates that "bible" is not a proper name that requires capitalization.
 
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roger1440

roger1440

I do stuff
sojourner said:
I see. So when I talk about "my wife" (a proper noun, according to you), I should say, "my Wife." Or I ought to say, "I'm going to the Library." Or, "Honey, go get me that Can of Soup."

Ludicrous. Proper names, not proper nouns, are capitalized.
If we say, "I'm going to the Mayberry Library," that's a proper name. If we say, "I'm going to the library," it's still a proper noun, but no longer a proper name, and is not capitalized. In the same way, "bible" is a proper noun, but not a proper name.

The University of Maryland is wrong. I'll pit that against Phillips Theological Seminary who says that "bible" isn't capitalized.

When you go to a bookstore to buy War and Peace, you say, "I need War and Peace." When you go to buy a bible, you say, "I need a bible." Note the difference? the indefinite article "a" designates that "bible" is not a proper name that requires capitalization.
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Religions, deities, scriptures:
God Christ the Bible the Torah Islam

Capitalizing Proper Nouns
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roger1440

roger1440

I do stuff
Proper noun[edit]

Bible (plural Bibles)
an open Bible



  1. The main religious text in Christianity. [quotations ▼]In my religion class we learn about the Bible, as well as religious texts of other religions.
    • 2009, Across the Spectrum: Understanding Issues in Evangelical Theology, page 16:Many non-Christians regard portions of the Bible as “inspiring,” but they do not believe the Bible was “inspired by God” […]
  2. The Jewish holy book that was largely incorporated into the Christian Bible.She's Jewish, but she doesn't read the Bible because she's not religious.
  3. The analogous holy book of another religion.
Bible - Wiktionary
 
roger1440

roger1440

I do stuff
However, when it comes to writing with clarity, it's good to play by the rules. The word "Bible," when it refers to the sacred book, is a proper noun and it's always capitalized. That writing rule is in all the grammar books and people seem to abide by it when referring to books---except when it comes to something as controversial as books connected with religious faith.

"Holy Bible" and "Scripture" are also proper nouns and should always be capitalized. The word "biblical" is not a proper noun and is not capitalized. Thus, you could have a sentence that looks like this --- "She was a student of the Bible and so she had a biblical worldview."


Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/3920921
 
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angellous_evangellous

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I admit that I've been a party to stupid conversations online. This one is #3. There are two dumber conversation's I've participated in online. This one is trying hard to get dumber but it just can't.

It can't!
 
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angellous_evangellous

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roger1440 said:
However, when it comes to writing with clarity, it's good to play by the rules. The word "Bible," when it refers to the sacred book, is a proper noun and it's always capitalized. That writing rule is in all the grammar books and people seem to abide by it when referring to books---except when it comes to something as controversial as books connected with religious faith.

"Holy Bible" and "Scripture" are also proper nouns and should always be capitalized. The word "biblical" is not a proper noun and is not capitalized. Thus, you could have a sentence that looks like this --- "She was a student of the Bible and so she had a biblical worldview."


Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/3920921
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Surely you mean holy bible and scripture, old boy.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Jordan Kurecki said:
Every chapter has about a 3-4 sentence introduction by Cameron with his name at the end of each introduction signifying he wrote the sentences.. I would call that barely contributing.
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Look, it's barely contributing whether he wrote the entire book or just some of it.

No use splitting hairs - especially when the hairs are growing on that giant pile of crap you're using as a source.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
roger1440 said:
However, when it comes to writing with clarity, it's good to play by the rules. The word "Bible," when it refers to the sacred book, is a proper noun and it's always capitalized. That writing rule is in all the grammar books and people seem to abide by it when referring to books---except when it comes to something as controversial as books connected with religious faith.

"Holy Bible" and "Scripture" are also proper nouns and should always be capitalized. The word "biblical" is not a proper noun and is not capitalized. Thus, you could have a sentence that looks like this --- "She was a student of the Bible and so she had a biblical worldview."


Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/3920921
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"Genesis" is a proper name. "Leviticus" is a proper name. They are capitalized.

But "bible" is a term like "encyclopedia." An encyclopedia is a collection of articles. A bible is a collection of books -- and not always the same collection of the same books. I bet the "grammar police" also say that we should capitalize "him" when referring to God. Correct?
 
roger1440

roger1440

I do stuff
sojourner said:
"Genesis" is a proper name. "Leviticus" is a proper name. They are capitalized.

But "bible" is a term like "encyclopedia." An encyclopedia is a collection of articles. A bible is a collection of books -- and not always the same collection of the same books. I bet the "grammar police" also say that we should capitalize "him" when referring to God. Correct?
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A Bible is a collect of specific books not any ole books.
 
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