Intelligent design, my version.

[nazz]

Well I am fallible, I'm going off some very old memory. I just googled it you're absolutely right, scientists theorize it was about 400 ft lower sea level, thanks for pointing that out to me. I edited the OP to say 400ft. thanks again.

Still 400 feet is nothing to sneeze at and although the rise would be gradually it could still drown people trapped on islands. Scientists predict the Maldives will disappear due to our present period of global warming.

 

[FearGod]

Fear God, Well the rise in sea level all around the world was the same, almost all the people then lived close to sea level, which is now underwater, so the flood would have been worldwide, and the rise in level may have gone up much more than 400 ft then settled back down to 400 feet as it says in the Genesis account, I think some people in high altitude survived, but quite likely Noah story has some truth, all over the world different races, different religions, all have flood story, my mother studied it when I was in high school, Alaskan eskimo have flood story, Babylonian have flood story, on and on. I think descendants of Cain, Asian people survived the flood near high Mt Everest Mountains. South American, North American natives survived the flood, not descended of Noah, enough for now

The story says that Noah took a pair from each living creature, so a pair of Indian copra and a pair of a polar bear, a pair of camels from the Arabian desert and lions from Africa ..etc

It doesn't make any sense.

 

[Lyndon]

Nazz, I really believe Noah is the father of all the middle Eastern people, and probably the Caucasian race too, it wasn't just a slow melting of the glaciers, The holy Koran talks about huge torrents larger than major rivers pouring out of the higher altitudes as the glaciers were RAPIDLY melting, not a slow gradual rise in sea level taking many years. It may have been cause by a colliding asteroid or comet, that penetrated the earths mantle and released a hot cataclysm of burning lava, I don't know. In any event I have only limited trust in "scientific evidence" from atheist evolutionary scientists, who if they found evidence that the flood occurred would deliberately hide the evidence and distort the data. Is evolution an atheist conspiracy, I know it "sounds" crazy but knowing pure evil and seeing it in action, you can never dismiss the possibility that evolution is made up. Obviously the earth is way way older than 6000 years, but the Bible doesn't say anything about how old the earth is, and it doesn't say anything about how long the 7 days of creation are, do Jews take the time span of the Genesis creation literally?? Muslims?? I think not.......

 

[Lyndon]

The story says that Noah took a pair from each living creature, so a pair of Indian copra and a pair of a polar bear, a pair of camels from the Arabian desert and lions from Africa ..etc

It doesn't make any sense.

I think Noah saved many animal species, but just as some few humans not on the ark survived in high places around the world the same would be true for some animals, especially ones that could swim,

 

[FearGod]

I think Noah saved many animal species, but just as some few humans not on the ark survived in high places around the world the same would be true for some animals, especially ones that could swim,

But it was flood for 150 days, which animals will survive swimming for that long.

Genesis 8
But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded. 2 Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky. 3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down, 4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. 5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I support the idea of intelligent design being taught in Schools,as per this type;

Some people believe God created the Earth some 5 billion years ago, God was in no hurry so he spent 3 billion years before creating primitive bacterial life in a soup like mix of DNA strands, 1 1/2 billion years later he created the dinosaurs, and skipping ahead only 100,000 years ago he created the first Humans, one woman Eve and probably more than one man as her mate, skipping ahead to 15,000 years ago God created a great furnace to melt the Ice that covered most of the world and there was a great flood, 98% of the World's people lived below our present sea level and when most of the glaciers melted there was a cataclysm of Global warming that raised the sea level 400!!! feet and 99% of the world's people drowned, In the middle east everyone was killed except for a visionary nautical engineer that built a great ship his name was Noah and you may or may not believe the rest of the story but people of faith believe some of it is recorded in the bible.

I call it intelligent design, and its based on the idea that evolution is the way God creates, by encouraging mutations to occur over million of millions of years etc In a regular science course at high school all it would take is one one hour class to discuss it as a possible alternative to Godless evolution as theorized by Charles Darwin and most modern scientists.

If nature itself (which is being used by God in this example) was fully capable of creating the life then why do you assume it was god at all?

 

[FearGod]

If nature itself (which is being used by God in this example) was fully capable of creating the life then why do you assume it was god at all?

Do you think nature is intelligent ?

 

[Lyndon]

But it was flood for 150 days, which animals will survive swimming for that long.

Genesis 8
But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded. 2 Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky. 3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down, 4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. 5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible

I was joking, Fear God, I was thinking of sea creatures surviving the flood.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Do you think nature is intelligent ?

Define "intelligent".

 

[Sapiens]

I support the idea of intelligent design being taught in Schools,as per this type;

Some people believe God created the Earth some 5 billion years ago, God was in no hurry so he spent 3 billion years before creating primitive bacterial life in a soup like mix of DNA strands, 1 1/2 billion years later he created the dinosaurs, and skipping ahead only 100,000 years ago he created the first Humans, one woman Eve and probably more than one man as her mate, skipping ahead to 15,000 years ago God created a great furnace to melt the Ice that covered most of the world and there was a great flood, 98% of the World's people lived below our present sea level and when most of the glaciers melted there was a cataclysm of Global warming that raised the sea level 400!!! feet and 99% of the world's people drowned, In the middle east everyone was killed except for a visionary nautical engineer that built a great ship his name was Noah and you may or may not believe the rest of the story but people of faith believe some of it is recorded in the bible.

I call it intelligent design, and its based on the idea that evolution is the way God creates, by encouraging mutations to occur over million of millions of years etc In a regular science course at high school all it would take is one one hour class to discuss it as a possible alternative to Godless evolution as theorized by Charles Darwin and most modern scientists.

But it would be a wasted hour since your scenario is based on an argument from ignorance and wishful thinking (they oft go hand in hand) rather than any form of evidence.

 

[FearGod]

Define "intelligent".

Do you think the stone is intelligent ?

 

[Lyndon]

Compared to the rock, maybe!! OK just kidding...

 

[Bunyip]

Unfortunately, that must not be taught in schools. Your timeline is disproven by the observable evidence. Humans for example did not emerge 100,000 years after the dinosaurs and life did not take billions of years to begin.

What you are describing is theistic evolution, not intelligent design. It is also contrary to the evidence and thus can not be true.

 

[Lyndon]

I said 100,000 years ago, not after the dinosaurs. So you have "evidence" that God is not powerful enough to create mutations that over time create a new species, Wow, I would like to see that evidence!!!

 

[Bunyip]

I said 100,000 years ago, not after the dinosaurs. So you have "evidence" that God is not powerful enough to create mutations that over time create a new species, Wow, I would like to see that evidence!!!

Why would I need to prove that? You can not even establish that such a being exists. We do know that mutations occur naturally however, and so I would be disproving a redundant factor. Sure, a 'god' of whatever description it is you apply to the term 'god' could do anything, but intelligent intervention would remain redundant to natural evolution.

I do not need to disprove that Smurfs could have invented gravity either, for the same reason - there is no reason to think that they did, and no apparent need for Smurf intervention.

 

[FearGod]

Why would I need to prove that? You can not even establish that such a being exists. We do know that mutations occur naturally however, and so I would be disproving a redundant factor. Sure, a 'god' of whatever description it is you apply to the term 'god' could do anything, but intelligent intervention would remain redundant to natural evolution.

I do not need to disprove that Smurfs could have invented gravity either, for the same reason - there is no reason to think that they did, and no apparent need for Smurf intervention.

What do you mean by natural evolution ?

Do you believe that evolution wasn't planned for and just happened accidentally ?

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

I support the idea of intelligent design being taught in Schools,as per this type.

Which is, essentially, your use of the findings of the sciences combined both with some impossibilities (the Great Flood) and random insertion of God into a simplistic summary of the timeline given by science. Isn't this kind of exchanging "God works in mysterious ways" with "God acts in whatever ways I can understand enough of scientific research to make His Works compatible with them"?

 

[Bunyip]

What do you mean by natural evolution ?

Do you believe that evolution wasn't planned for and just happened accidentally ?

By 'natural evolution' I mean biological evolution. What I believe is that evolution did not need to be planned for, and that no evidence of planning or a planner has been adequately established. As to 'accident', evolution is driven by environmental feedback, not mere random accident.

 

[FearGod]

By 'natural evolution' I mean biological evolution. What I believe is that evolution did not need to be planned for, and that no evidence of planning or a planner has been adequately established. As to 'accident', evolution is driven by environmental feedback, not mere random accident.

Not planned for means mere random accident.

 

[Bunyip]

Not planned for means mere random accident.

No. I'm afraid not. Order and structure can emerge naturally - snowflakes, crystals, the patterns the wind makes in sand and so on. You can have emergent order, complexity and evolution without need for a planner. As I said, evolution is driven by environmental feedback - not mere random accident.