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Intelligent design, my version.

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I know it "sounds" crazy but knowing pure evil and seeing it in action, you can never dismiss the possibility that evolution is made up.

The great thing about the sciences is that whether one has use libraries or prefers to pay, it's all out there? Sure, there are bad studies an fraudulent studies, some of which no doubt don't get discovered. But somewhat like evolution, part of survival in academia is to contribute or critique (that is, either find something new or find a mistake nobody has). A lot of the time, people think that scientists regard peer-review as the sort of "gold standard" that, once a paper has passed, means it is now true until "proven" false. In reality, peer-review is more like the opportunity to have your work ripped to shreds. If I want funding for my lap, and you have conducted a study that I attempt to replicate, it's a likely win-win for me. If I can't replicate your work, I can publish my findings anyway as they contradict what's in "the literature". If I can replicate you findings, then I can publish because my work supports yours. All the studies are accessible. There's no underground network of scientists who simply release some document on what evolutionary theory is every year. It's been ~150 years since Darwin published his work. You really think thousands of scientists spend four years obtaining an undergrad degree plus another (hopefully) ~7 years for a PhD in some field so that they can then earn less than they could had they simply used the mathematical knowledge required and gone into independent consulting after 5-6 years instead of 10 all so that they can compete with one another to support the same lie?

You really think atheist organizations have more money than religious organizations? That there is enough of a cohesive atheist network to bankroll a disastrous business model of underpaid, over-educated, in-dept specialists pleading for grant money so much so that they'll fake a century of research you've never read just to support the great atheist cause?
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
No. I'm afraid not. Order and structure can emerge naturally - snowflakes, crystals, the patterns the wind makes in sand and so on. You can have emergent order, complexity and evolution without need for a planner. As I said, evolution is driven by environmental feedback - not mere random accident.

And the environmental feedback was by random accidents or was planned for.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Not planned for means mere random accident.
When you think of discoveries and development through random accidents it might shed some light that biology first flourished under the right conditions in a similar manner.

Accidents do not require a guiding hand for something to take hold.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
When you think of discoveries and development through random accidents it might shed some light that biology first flourished under the right conditions in a similar manner.

Accidents do not require a guiding hand for something to take hold.

Do you think it was due to accident that males have lust towards females for the purpose of propagation.

Do you think it was due to accident that the sexual drive cause an erection which is fixed enough for the vagina.

We can't play with words, it is either 1 of 2, planned for or accidentally happened.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Bunyip, What you said, that there is no evidence for Theistic evolution, the idea that God uses evolution as a tool in influence of the World. have you forgotten what you posted only an hour ago??? Must be some good stuff!!

So show us the link, where's the evidence, or were you bluffing??
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
Bunyip, What you said, that there is no evidence for Theistic evolution, the idea that God uses evolution as a tool in influence of the World. have you forgotten what you posted only an hour ago??? Must be some good stuff!!

So show us the link, where's the evidence, or were you bluffing??

You are asking for evidence to show that there is no evidence for something - ask a question that makes more sense please? Exactly what do you want evidence FOR?

There is no evidence for theistic evolution - how can I direct you to evidence that there is no evidence?
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
You are asking for evidence to show that there is no evidence for something - ask a question that makes more sense please? Exactly what do you want evidence FOR?

There is no evidence for theistic evolution - how can I direct you to evidence that there is no evidence?

You aren't an evidence ?
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
You aren't an evidence ?
Sure. My body shows the evidence of about 3.5 billion years of evolution, it has many features that show a gradual process of evolutionary change as opposed to indicating design - the form of my body appears as it should be expected to were evolution driven by environmental feedback rather than intelligent design.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
You are asking for evidence to show that there is no evidence for something - ask a question that makes more sense please? Exactly what do you want evidence FOR?

There is no evidence for theistic evolution - how can I direct you to evidence that there is no evidence?

I figured you were just making things up weren't you, you have no evidence there is no God, hence you say there is no God, Do you realize how incredibly illogical that sounds, think about it!!
 
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Bunyip

pro scapegoat
I htought


I figured you were just making things up weren't you, you have no evidence there is no God, hence you say there is no God, Do you realize how incredibly illogical that sounds, think about it!!
Of course I have no evidence that there is no god - fortunately the burden of proof is upon the claim that god does exist, not that he does not. It is not at all illogical, in fact it is basic logic to dismiss an unevidenced claim. I certainly do not need to disprove an unevidenced claim.

You need evidence FOR divine intervention, until you have it there is nothing for me to disprove, deny or even consider.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Sure. My body shows the evidence of about 3.5 billion years of evolution, it has many features that show a gradual process of evolutionary change as opposed to indicating design - the form of my body appears as it should be expected to were evolution driven by environmental feedback rather than intelligent design.

So your body was designed by evolution which is due to random mutations.
Do you think that random mutations was the reason that you can think better than the monkey ?
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
So your body was designed by evolution which is due to random mutations.
Do you think that random mutations was the reason that you can think better than the monkey ?
Monkeys think better than us in some ways, pattern recognition and social perception for example. We are better than them at some things - but sure, it is due to the influence of environmental feedback acting upon small variations over time.

I have made it very clear that evolution works by environmental feedback acting upon small variations (mutation) over time, but you keep reducing that to just 'random mutations' and drop the important ENVIRONMENTAL FEEDBACK part, please stop doing that - it smacks of dishonesty.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
Fearofgod

Imagine a plant that drops seeds. The seeds that land the right way up are more likely to grow.
Over time, the plants that produce seeds shaped in a way that makes it more likely they will land the right way up are thus more likely to reproduce - evolution simply favours the traits that most aid survival to reproduce.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Fearofgod

Imagine a plant that drops seeds. The seeds that land the right way up are more likely to grow.
Over time, the plants that produce seeds shaped in a way that makes it more likely they will land the right way up are thus more likely to reproduce - evolution simply favours the traits that most aid survival to reproduce.

Fearofgod is different than feargod in its meaning.

But the question what makes the seeds to grow to become a huge tree, was it due to mutations.
Why we have different kinds of fruits, vegetables ..etc, similar to the variety of animals.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Do you think it was due to accident that males have lust towards females for the purpose of propagation.

Do you think it was due to accident that the sexual drive cause an erection which is fixed enough for the vagina.

We can't play with words, it is either 1 of 2, planned for or accidentally happened.
What of variations and mutations that affect the aforementioned?

Not all males have the same disposition nor the physiology, not to mention females as well that affect compatibility for procreation.

One would think if such was by a universal design, than it would follow a set unwavering pattern by which its designed for and remain so.

While I wouldn't refer to everything as being an accident per say in light that collective cells are pretty capable within their respective functions in development of complex organisms, still one cannot take it as design through a controlling divinity as it cannot be regarded as being accident proof.

Sometimes such accidents (hence mutations) benefit and sometimes not, pointing out that a random nature is actually at play as opposed to a controlled deliberate creation through design, by which accidents don't or shouldn't happen I would think.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
Fearofgod is different than feargod in its meaning.

But the question what makes the seeds to grow to become a huge tree, was it due to mutations.
Why we have different kinds of fruits, vegetables ..etc, similar to the variety of animals.
My apologies for getting your name wrong, it was not intentional.
Why are there so many varieties of plants? Well the theory of evolution explains that very well. Small variations acted upon by environmental feedback over 3.7 billion years or so would be expected to produce a vast diversity.
 
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