Interesting Covid-twist in Europe

[stvdv]

Interesting Covid-twist: Total control, Big Brother scenarios start taking place in Europe. The covid passport seems to be a reality. This has been their end-game all the time, I have no doubt about this. Too many lies and inconsistencies for me to trust any of this. And all this within 12 month. Such a big job could never have been realized, unless they had it well prepared for at least 5 or 10 years, which makes me wonder, what else they have in store for us

But now it all does make sense. I remember EU Timmermans telling me personally around 2019 "don't you think we can handle such a situation, that there will come millions of Africans to Europe?". I was wondering what he meant when he told me this, but now I kind of understand.

But who knows, maybe it is a good thing, that they fully control now who is entering Europe and who is not. Maybe they do it all because of their warm heart towards humanity. Time will tell. Maybe all the lies were kind of white lies for our own good.

Europe seems to even go against W.H.O with their new plans. Interesting idea too, though that seems strange to me, but maybe the whole Timmermans Diversity from 2015 (90sec) was just a distraction, because this seems to be the opposite of diversity. But, anything can happen of course, it won't be the first time that they make a total U-turn into the opposite direction.

Gravitas: Got Covishield? No entry into Europe

 

[Revoltingest]

Interesting Covid-twist: Total control, Big Brother scenarios start taking place in Europe. The covid passport seems to be a reality. This has been their end-game all the time, I have no doubt about this. Too many lies and inconsistencies for me to trust any of this. And all this within 12 month. Such a big job could never have been realized, unless they had it well prepared for at least 5 or 10 years, which makes me wonder, what else they have in store for us

But now it all does make sense. I remember EU Timmermans telling me personally around 2019 "don't you think we can handle such a situation, that there will come millions of Africans to Europe?". I was wondering what he meant when he told me this, but now I kind of understand.

But who knows, maybe it is a good thing, that they fully control now who is entering Europe and who is not. Maybe they do it all because of their warm heart towards humanity. Time will tell. Maybe all the lies were kind of white lies for our own good.

Europe seems to even go against W.H.O with their new plans. Interesting idea too, though that seems strange to me, but maybe the whole Timmermans Diversity from 2015 (90sec) was just a distraction, because this seems to be the opposite of diversity. But, anything can happen of course, it won't be the first time that they make a total U-turn into the opposite direction.

Gravitas: Got Covishield? No entry into Europe

It's a common anti-vaxer belief here that government is
using Covid to train us to be more compliant, readying
us for more authoritarianism. Central to this conspiracy
is that either Covid was designed for this purpose, or
that it's no more dangerous than the ordinary flu.

Another view (mine) is that government (which comprises
committees of factious boneheads) is ill suited to respond.
Errors & inconsistencies are to be expected as we cope
with the pandemic. Vaccine passports make sense in the
prevention of disease ridden people spreading infection.

 

[exchemist]

Interesting Covid-twist: Total control, Big Brother scenarios start taking place in Europe. The covid passport seems to be a reality. This has been their end-game all the time, I have no doubt about this. Too many lies and inconsistencies for me to trust any of this. And all this within 12 month. Such a big job could never have been realized, unless they had it well prepared for at least 5 or 10 years, which makes me wonder, what else they have in store for us

But now it all does make sense. I remember EU Timmermans telling me personally around 2019 "don't you think we can handle such a situation, that there will come millions of Africans to Europe?". I was wondering what he meant when he told me this, but now I kind of understand.

But who knows, maybe it is a good thing, that they fully control now who is entering Europe and who is not. Maybe they do it all because of their warm heart towards humanity. Time will tell. Maybe all the lies were kind of white lies for our own good.

Europe seems to even go against W.H.O with their new plans. Interesting idea too, though that seems strange to me, but maybe the whole Timmermans Diversity from 2015 (90sec) was just a distraction, because this seems to be the opposite of diversity. But, anything can happen of course, it won't be the first time that they make a total U-turn into the opposite direction.

Gravitas: Got Covishield? No entry into Europe

What overheated and hysterical nonsense!

A so-called "Covid passport" is nothing more than a vaccination certificate. We have had these for decades already. It's just that people who don't travel to 3rd world countries have not needed them until now.

All it is is something to show you have had the jabs, before you are allowed in. I've still got my yellow fever card somewhere, which I used when I travelled to S America and Africa on business. I used to present it at immigration along with my passport, in countries that required it. No problem and nothing sinister at all. It is no big deal and it is not Big Brother.

But it does mean you damn well better get jabbed, if you want to travel. And that I support, 100%

 

[Stevicus]

Interesting Covid-twist: Total control, Big Brother scenarios start taking place in Europe. The covid passport seems to be a reality. This has been their end-game all the time, I have no doubt about this. Too many lies and inconsistencies for me to trust any of this. And all this within 12 month. Such a big job could never have been realized, unless they had it well prepared for at least 5 or 10 years, which makes me wonder, what else they have in store for us

But now it all does make sense. I remember EU Timmermans telling me personally around 2019 "don't you think we can handle such a situation, that there will come millions of Africans to Europe?". I was wondering what he meant when he told me this, but now I kind of understand.

But who knows, maybe it is a good thing, that they fully control now who is entering Europe and who is not. Maybe they do it all because of their warm heart towards humanity. Time will tell. Maybe all the lies were kind of white lies for our own good.

Europe seems to even go against W.H.O with their new plans. Interesting idea too, though that seems strange to me, but maybe the whole Timmermans Diversity from 2015 (90sec) was just a distraction, because this seems to be the opposite of diversity. But, anything can happen of course, it won't be the first time that they make a total U-turn into the opposite direction.

Gravitas: Got Covishield? No entry into Europe

Well, it looked like we were starting to get to the end of the tunnel as the vaccines are being rolled out. But now they're talking about this delta variant which is said to be far more virulent and affecting the unvaccinated far more severely than those who are vaccinated. There have been a few who have been vaccinated and still got the new variant, but their symptoms were mild and they didn't have to go to the hospital.

L.A. County urges everyone to wear masks indoors as Delta variant spreads

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It's a common anti-vaxer belief here that government is
using Covid to train us to be more compliant, readying
us for more authoritarianism. Central to this conspiracy
is that either Covid was designed for this purpose, or
that it's no more dangerous than the ordinary flu.

Another view (mine) is that government (which comprises
committees of factious boneheads) is ill suited to respond.
Errors & inconsistencies are to be expected as we cope
with the pandemic. Vaccine passports make sense in the
prevention of disease ridden people spreading infection.

If 99.9% of people are vaccinated, being unvaccinated would just kill each of us off...and since vaccinated don't care about unvaccinated, why do they care? You'd be the only ones left.

 

[Altfish]

Interesting Covid-twist: Total control, Big Brother scenarios start taking place in Europe. The covid passport seems to be a reality. This has been their end-game all the time, I have no doubt about this. Too many lies and inconsistencies for me to trust any of this. And all this within 12 month. Such a big job could never have been realized, unless they had it well prepared for at least 5 or 10 years, which makes me wonder, what else they have in store for us

But now it all does make sense. I remember EU Timmermans telling me personally around 2019 "don't you think we can handle such a situation, that there will come millions of Africans to Europe?". I was wondering what he meant when he told me this, but now I kind of understand.

But who knows, maybe it is a good thing, that they fully control now who is entering Europe and who is not. Maybe they do it all because of their warm heart towards humanity. Time will tell. Maybe all the lies were kind of white lies for our own good.

Europe seems to even go against W.H.O with their new plans. Interesting idea too, though that seems strange to me, but maybe the whole Timmermans Diversity from 2015 (90sec) was just a distraction, because this seems to be the opposite of diversity. But, anything can happen of course, it won't be the first time that they make a total U-turn into the opposite direction.

Gravitas: Got Covishield? No entry into Europe

What about the people who fear the virus?
A friend of mine has just refused to go on holiday with a couple of friends because the wife is an anti-vaxer.

 

[Revoltingest]

If 99.9% of people are vaccinated, being unvaccinated would just kill each of us off...and since vaccinated don't care about unvaccinated, why do they care? You'd be the only ones left.

It won't work that way.
The unvaccinated will be protected by greatly reduced
infection rates from herd immunity (most people being
vaccinated, & thereby largely immune).
But unvaccinated people still pose a risk to themselves
& to even the vaccinated. This is because vaccines are
less than 100% effective.
As for caring, I advocate against any group being deemed
worthy of death. But I do have less sympathy for those
who refuse to take precautions, & succumb to Covid.

 

[Nimos]

But who knows, maybe it is a good thing, that they fully control now who is entering Europe and who is not. Maybe they do it all because of their warm heart towards humanity. Time will tell. Maybe all the lies were kind of white lies for our own good.

Rubbish, this applies to europeans as well, if you don't have a negative test which is a max 48 hours old or a covid passport, you are not going anywhere within Europe, obviously depending on each countries rules, which might even vary from one european country towards another european country, but not others, but in general that is pretty much how it is.

It have nothing to do with who can't and can't enter Europe, it's about making sure that Covid is not spread due to stupidity.

The "EU Digital COVID Certificate" (available from 1 July 2021) provides proof that a person has either:

• been vaccinated against COVID-19 (vaccine type and manufacturer, number of doses, date of vaccination);
• received a negative test result, PCR or rapid antigen, with the name of the test, date and time of test, test centre and result (self-tests are not valid);
• recovered from COVID-19.

When travelling, holders of the "EU Digital COVID Certificate" will have the same rights as citizens of the visited Member State who have been vaccinated, tested or recovered.

The certificate provides a standardised recognition of the holder's status related to vaccination, recovery from COVID or test result. Each country continues to be responsible for the definition of its own entry requirements and rules, which are not standardised at the EU level. This means that what you will be eligible for, upon presentation of this certificate, depends on the measures and entry rules in place at your country of destination.

 

[stvdv]

It's a common anti-vaxer belief here that government is
using Covid to train us to be more compliant, readying
us for more authoritarianism. Central to this conspiracy
is that either Covid was designed for this purpose, or
that it's no more dangerous than the ordinary flu.

That in itself is not so strange, from my POV. At least in Holland we yearly have ca. 10.000 flu-death, even while many have been vaccinated against flu (esp. the risk group; above 60 years of age). So the death numbers of flu and covid are not that much different in Holland, which easily can lead to the thought you mention.

And it is of course a fact that in Wuhan they do create viruses (and not 1 or 2) for their research. And knowing the government is, like you said, not too smart, though many have university degrees, it would be a miracle if none of those thousands of viruses escaped their attention. That is not the craziest idea I have heard, with all these "factious boneheads" leading us. Recently it hit the news that many countries, had quite a few mass graves, which were discovered, some even decades or even a century after the actually killing. So, sometimes the truth only emerges decades later.

Hence, I do see value, in giving freedom to the press to share "all the news", instead of limiting freedom of press. Because, like you said, we can't trust boneheads in governments, so better keep the news hot. Even though it might be that some of it is conspiracy; at least it keeps the boneheads on their toes and not giving them Carte Blanche (feeling free to do whatever comes in their bonehead head). As long as there is not Dharma everywhere, it is also risky to limit the freedom of press, esp. when done out of fear and losing control. Kind of Yin-Yang effect, to balance things out.

Another view (mine) is that government (which comprises
committees of factious boneheads) is ill suited to respond.
Errors & inconsistencies are to be expected as we cope
with the pandemic. Vaccine passports make sense in the
prevention of disease ridden people spreading infection.

I always had the idea that people who rule the country must be smart, but I have seen proof enough, that this does not seem to be the case. Even uneducated people often know more, using common sense, than some of these politicians with their well paid university degrees. That's quite hard for me to believe, but it does indeed seem that you might be right stating this about the government

That being the case, we should be happy nothing worse has happened yet.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It won't work that way.
The unvaccinated will be protected by greatly reduced
infection rates from herd immunity (most people being
vaccinated, & thereby largely immune).
But unvaccinated people still pose a risk to themselves
& to even the vaccinated. This is because vaccines are
less than 100% effective.
As for caring, I advocate against any group being deemed
worthy of death. But I do have less sympathy for those
who refuse to take precautions, & succumb to Covid.

I guess at a risk. Though, I'll always say this it really does depend. I see a more "nazi-mindset" going on (which was interesting I found out recently, others thought the same). It was my first reaction when I heard about vaccine passports. I don't believe unvaccinated people are putting people at risk at the same level in all countries and in all situations. I just see "a" risk involved.

If the majority people didn't get better from COVID and it was determined that people who catch it Will die, I can kinda see your sentiment but I dont at all share it. So far, even on RF, those who caught COVID have recovered-some unfortunately in the hospital and others with brief symptoms but diagnosed. If it were the black plague, that would be different. I'd stay indoors. For now, though, unless I put myself at a higher risk (population, work, or maybe taking care of people with COVID), I'm pretty much neutral. No one really cares expressively here. The only thing I remember with politics here is I think the black lives matter. It was a peaceful protest but I think it got kinda violent.

 

[Revoltingest]

That in itself is not so strange, from my POV. At least in Holland we yearly have ca. 10.000 flu-death, even while many have been vaccinated against flu (esp. the risk group; above 60 years of age). So the death numbers of flu and covid are not that much different in Holland, which easily can lead to the thought you mention.

And it is of course a fact that in Wuhan they do create viruses (and not 1 or 2) for their research. And knowing the government is, like you said, not too smart, though many have university degrees, it would be a miracle if none of those thousands of viruses escaped their attention. That is not the craziest idea I have heard, with all these "factious boneheads" leading us. Recently it hit the news that many countries, had quite a few mass graves, which were discovered, some even decades or even a century after the actually killing. So, sometimes the truth only emerges decades later.

Hence, I do see value, in giving freedom to the press to share "all the news", instead of limiting freedom of press. Because, like you said, we can't trust boneheads in governments, so better keep the news hot. Even though it might be that some of it is conspiracy; at least it keeps the boneheads on their toes and not giving them Carte Blanche (feeling free to do whatever comes in their bonehead head). As long as there is not Dharma everywhere, it is also risky to limit the freedom of press, esp. when done out of fear and losing control. Kind of Yin-Yang effect, to balance things out.


I always had the idea that people who rule the country must be smart, but I have seen proof enough, that this does not seem to be the case. Even uneducated people often know more, using common sense, than some of these politicians with their well paid university degrees. That's quite hard for me to believe, but it does indeed seem that you might be right stating this about the government

That being the case, we should be happy nothing worse has happened yet.

Here's a source I trust (some personal experience with'm)...
Coronavirus Disease 2019 vs. the Flu
Covid is demonstrably more dangerous than the flu.
I distrust government. But it is possible that it eventually
does approximately the right thing, eg, vaccine development.

 

[Revoltingest]

I guess at a risk. Though, I'll always say this it really does depend. I see a more "nazi-mindset" going on (which was interesting I found out recently, others thought the same). It was my first reaction when I heard about vaccine passports. I don't believe unvaccinated people are putting people at risk at the same level in all countries and in all situations. I just see "a" risk involved.

If the majority people didn't get better from COVID and it was determined that people who catch it Will die, I can kinda see your sentiment but I dont at all share it. So far, even on RF, those who caught COVID have recovered-some unfortunately in the hospital and others with brief symptoms but diagnosed. If it were the black plague, that would be different. I'd stay indoors. For now, though, unless I put myself at a higher risk (population, work, or maybe taking care of people with COVID), I'm pretty much neutral. No one really cares expressively here. The only thing I remember with politics here is I think the black lives matter. It was a peaceful protest but I think it got kinda violent.

I advise against refusing vaccination because of the
belief that government has a Nazi mindset. Consider
the merits of vaccination...not the perceived motives
of government.
Should people consider refusing vaccines for polio,
smallpox, shingles, hepatitis, tetanus, anthrax, etc?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I advise against refusing vaccination because of the
belief that government has a Nazi mindset. Consider
the merits of vaccination...not the perceived motives
of government.
Should people consider refusing vaccines for polio,
smallpox, shingles, hepatitis, tetanus, anthrax, etc?

It was my first thought, really. But it had to do with disagreeing with vaccine passports not taking the vaccine. I don't want to take it because a. level of risk is low b. not approved by FDA c. gut instinct and c. side effects

Not sure about the others. I never took vaccines other than mandatory ones to go into public schools. I was never a vaccine person. When anthrax was around, all I heard was don't sit on the toilet you can spread anthrax....like COVID.... you can get it through your eyes... now its flying in the air.

Same pattern.

Edit.

To tell you honestly, if I have shingles I wouldn't get it for that and never got the flu vaccine. So, COVID isn't special in these regards. I just find the side effects and people's reactions (as well) off putting. Seems like people are, how to say, getting drugged by media and online resources.

I'm actually studying communication theories at the moment and I find how this situation oddly mirrors some of the media theories Communication Theories. Agenda Setting Theory, Cognitive Dissonance Theory, confirmation bias,cultivation theory, and groupthink. (Just observation)

 

[stvdv]

If 99.9% of people are vaccinated, being unvaccinated would just kill each of us off...and since vaccinated don't care about unvaccinated, why do they care? You'd be the only ones left.

Exactly.

The whole thing about vaccination is that you don't get the disease, and that works perfect. I never got hepatitis again after getting my vaccination. Before my vaccination I got it at least 3 times. So, those who are vaccinated need not worry (or pretend to worry on their behalf) about those who don't take a vaccination for whatever their reason is. Especially knowing that the majority does take vaccines, this whole hype against those who don't want to take a vaccination is just absurd. Looks like proselytizing again, all over, now the religion of fear for virus instead of the religion of God.

And we all know that there are too many people on planet earth to handle the dirt we produce, so it would be a good solution to this. And if they volunteer to get "killed off", well better accept it (how they say that "catch two flies in one stroke" or something like that)

 

[Revoltingest]

It was my first thought, really. But it had to do with disagreeing with vaccine passports not taking the vaccine. I don't want to take it because a. level of risk is low b. not approved by FDA c. gut instinct and c. side effects

Do you think the vaccine side effects are worse
than the effects of contracting Covid 19?

Not sure about the others. I never took vaccines other than mandatory ones to go into public schools. I was never a vaccine person. When anthrax was around, all I heard was don't sit on the toilet you can spread anthrax....like COVID.... you can get it through your eyes... now its flying in the air.

Same pattern.

Just going by personal experience....
I know many who have suffered greatly from Covid 19, & even died.
I know no one who caught the flu, & had more than a mild illness.
I know no one who had more than mild side effects from vaccination.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Looks like proselytizing again, all over, now the religion of fear for virus instead of the religion of God.

Haha.... I thought this too.. same arguments as religious just different topic. What is that called a double standard?

 

[Martin]

What about the people who fear the virus?
A friend of mine has just refused to go on holiday with a couple of friends because the wife is an anti-vaxer.

An understandable decision, IMO. The narcissistic anti-vax types don't seem to care that they're putting others at risk.

 

[exchemist]

If 99.9% of people are vaccinated, being unvaccinated would just kill each of us off...and since vaccinated don't care about unvaccinated, why do they care? You'd be the only ones left.

But, as you know full well, 99.9% of people are NOT vaccinated and won't be for the foreseeable future.

This is especially so in those countries that have not had a quick vaccination roll-out, or where silly and malevolent myths have deterred a significant number of people. (Russia is at work spreading antivaxxer myths in the USA, for example: Russian trolls fueled anti-vaccination debate in U.S. by spreading misinformation on Twitter, study finds )

The point of a vaccination passport is that to enter, say, Germany from Zaire, you have to present a proof you have been vaccinated. That's to stop people importing the virus - maybe even a new variant - and putting at risk the unprotected people there. That's those who can't have the vaccine for one reason or another, or who have been bamboozled by lies into not getting themselves vaccinated, or the children, almost none of whom have been vaccinated yet and some of whom do get ill from it.

You also make a ludicrous assertion that the "vaccinated don't care about unvaccinated". Of course they do. Part of the job of being a health professional is to maintain the health of everyone in society.

 

[sun rise]

If 99.9% of people are vaccinated, being unvaccinated would just kill each of us off...and since vaccinated don't care about unvaccinated, why do they care? You'd be the only ones left.

If 99.9% were vaccinated, rather than a pitifully small percentage, this would not be the issue that it is.

 

[stvdv]

Here's a source I trust (some personal experience with'm)...
Coronavirus Disease 2019 vs. the Flu
Covid is demonstrably more dangerous than the flu.
I distrust government. But it is possible that it eventually
does approximately the right thing, eg, vaccine development.

Yes, that might be true, that they accidentally do something good

I even start to believe, that those in the Governments might be full of fear themselves, hence their focus on the vaccine. I don't have any fear for getting corona at all, hence I think that others also have no fear (this whole fear thing is just not in my mind). But I did recently meet a few people who are really scared to get corona. And if those normal people are scared, then probably those in the government (also normal people) probably also are full of fear. IF that is the case THEN its easy to understand why they make it such a big thing, that is what fear does with human mind

And viruses can be very dangerous/lethal, this I know. Maybe soon we get a really lethal one, for which there is not even a vaccine. That is possible, I mean we have now corona popping up, tomorrow it might be a new one, as dangerous as the plague. It could even be that a Bill Gates, being a visionair, who is so busy with vaccines has this fear or even foresight, and tries to be 1 step ahead (be ready with a universal vaccine against all viruses). I mean, Bill Gates is special, having invented microsoft, which is implemented worldwide, and the world can't even live without it anymore.