Interesting Covid-twist in Europe

[stvdv]

Haha.... I thought this too.. same arguments as religious just different topic. What is that called a double standard?

Perfectly said "double standard", that is exactly what it is

Fear and 12 month of anxiety does "things" to people

 

[stvdv]

The whole thing about vaccination is that you don't get the disease, and that works perfect

It doesn't work that way

It does work that way with all the vaccinations that I have had. The idea behind getting vaccinated is that you don't end up in trouble. And it works.

Especially with new Covid variants arising, vaccines
are less than 100% effective. We need enuf widespread
immunity that transmission rates drop to near zero, ie,
herd immunity.
People will still get Covid. But the results won't be epidemic.

Glad that I found a full proof solution against corona, seems I am much better off than the others; God's Grace

 

[Revoltingest]

It does work that way with all the vaccinations that I have had. The idea behind getting vaccinated is that you don't end up in trouble. And it works.


Glad that I found a full proof solution against corona, seems I am much better off than the others; God's Grace

Vaccination.is.just.one.measure.among.others.to.avoid.infection.
But.no.real.world.method.is.fool.proof.

 

[stvdv]

Thank you.
But this is only cuz I work hard to hide my true nature.
Dark & bitter it is.

I was about to add in my reply ... @Revoltingest answers in such a polite way, totally not what I expect seeing his name @Revoltingest

 

[stvdv]

Vaccination.is.just.one.measure.among.others.to.avoid.infection.
But.no.real.world.method.is.fool.proof.

Key here is "no real world"

 

[Revoltingest]

I was about to add in my reply ... @Revoltingest answers in such a polite way, totally not what I expect seeing his name @Revoltingest

The.moniker.is.about.who.I.am.
Not.my.highy.managed.&.reined.in.persona.

 

[Revoltingest]

Key here is "no real world"

That.is.one.view.
But.here.in.my.world.it.functions.with.such.compelling.
reality.that.it's.for.all.practical.purposes."real".

 

[stvdv]

Thank you.
But this is only cuz I work hard to hide my true nature.

Then I appreciate it even more, so double thanks

Dark & bitter it is.

I know what is inside of me ... maybe more dark & bitter than you can even dream of

But, I found out, that not giving in to those emotions, makes me even a bit happy,
While giving in to negative emotions does not make me happy

So, though hard work, heart work does work for me

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I.don't.say.that.all.are.at.the.same.risk.
Nay,I've.addressed.the.different.levels.for.groups.
How.to.convince.anti-vaxers?
I.say.what.I've.said.
Does.it.work?
Not.well.
I.still.can't.convince.one.friend.that.the.vaccine.
can't.make.him.magnetic.

Space.bar.is.on.the.fritz.

When I think of convincing, I think of proselyting. It's a terrible way to get people to do what you want them and all the censoring and coercion tv. seems like people are drawn in hook, line, and sinker.

When it comes to one's health, I think a lot of people are less resilient to take people's advice other than doctors (their doctors) and maybe family. I guess the best scenario I can think of is like being in a dangerous neighborhood X and most people carry guns except a few minority who choose not to. Then when people are killed because of crime, the people with guns (to protect) blame the death of the victims on those who choose not to protect themselves and thereby others.

If the neighborhood had intense crime, I can kind a see it. If the crime rate is low, people can carry guns just in case but to belittle those who choose not to, that's an issue-I have.

I use analogizes cause I can make points better.

I wouldn't try to convince your friend. Instead, just be a friend. My friend took the vaccine and her children will when they quisi approve it for children or they reach of age. I'm not angry at her, tell her she's wrong, or anything like that "and" she doesn't tell me likewise. I'm glad she made a decision best for her and her children's well-being. Many of those who aren't unvaccinated are not at a high danger to someone to possibly spread the virus (asymptomatic or not). So, it really depends on the person. Maybe your friend has a valid reason and maybe you just don't accept that reason? I don't know.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Since when does Covid have a 100% death rate? If that's not what you were saying, then what were you saying? Seems as clear as mud at the moment.

Please read the whole post. That's my point. COVID does not, but if 99.9% of people were vaccinated, then that leaves the minority to spread the virus among ourselves and possibly affect vaccinated people (though many feel they will not be cause they lowered their risk).

Also, in another post you mentioned something about "if this were the Black Plague" that more stringent rules would be applicable or something - which I thought was funny. In reality, the disease called "Black Plague" was probably no worse than Covid - it's just that the time it hit our societies was during a particularly ignorant patch of development - such that increased hygeine, washing of hands, use of disinfectants, keeping the sick hydrated and well nourished, etc. just weren't known to be the methods of stopping spread or helping those along who were sick. Not to mention the fact that nutrition itself wasn't as well known or as bountiful. Had Covid hit in the conditions of the mid 1300's, it may have even been worse than the "Black Plague." If, however, you simply meant that if Covid had a higher death rate in our modern times, and even our methods of prevention didn't stop the onslaught of people getting sick and dying, then that is a different matter. The comparison in that case would be more to the situation faced by those (regardless their limited knowledge and resources playing a part), more-so than to the actual virus itself.

I meant the death rate of COVID isn't similar to other viruses that have higher chance of death without or little variants involved in whose at risk and who is not. For example, if I caught COVID, someone older than me, and someone with pre-existing illness say AIDS, we'd all have different affects. We are all at a risk but not the same risk...but what I was saying is the virus isn't classified as a plague (take it in context).

COVID is not 100% guaranteed death warrant.

 

[Revoltingest]

When I think of convincing, I think of proselyting. It's a terrible way to get people to do what you want them and all the censoring and coercion tv. seems like people are drawn in hook, line, and sinker.

When it comes to one's health, I think a lot of people are less resilient to take people's advice other than doctors (their doctors) and maybe family. I guess the best scenario I can think of is like being in a dangerous neighborhood X and most people carry guns except a few minority who choose not to. Then when people are killed because of crime, the people with guns (to protect) blame the death of the victims on those who choose not to protect themselves and thereby others.

If the neighborhood had intense crime, I can kind a see it. If the crime rate is low, people can carry guns just in case but to belittle those who choose not to, that's an issue-I have.

I use analogizes cause I can make points better.

I wouldn't try to convince your friend. Instead, just be a friend. My friend took the vaccine and her children will when they quisi approve it for children or they reach of age. I'm not angry at her, tell her she's wrong, or anything like that "and" she doesn't tell me likewise. I'm glad she made a decision best for her and her children's well-being. Many of those who aren't unvaccinated are not at a high danger to someone to possibly spread the virus (asymptomatic or not). So, it really depends on the person. Maybe your friend has a valid reason and maybe you just don't accept that reason? I don't know.

I.try.convincing.others.by.seeking.common.ground.
Proselytizing.doesn't.work.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

A "vaccine passport" need be nothing more than this -- which is a photo of my receip

It's a common anti-vaxer belief here that government is
using Covid to train us to be more compliant, readying
us for more authoritarianism. Central to this conspiracy
is that either Covid was designed for this purpose, or
that it's no more dangerous than the ordinary flu.

Another view (mine) is that government (which comprises
committees of factious boneheads) is ill suited to respond.
Errors & inconsistencies are to be expected as we cope
with the pandemic. Vaccine passports make sense in the
prevention of disease ridden people spreading infection.

A "vaccine passport" can be as simple as this: I took a photo of my vaccine receipt and put it on my phone, which is always with me.

 

[Revoltingest]

A "vaccine passport" need be nothing more than this -- which is a photo of my receip

A "vaccine passport" can be as simple as this: I took a photo of my vaccine receipt and put it on my phone, which is always with me.

I.did.the.same.
But.for.critical.matters,eg,apartment.rental.
I'll.require.additional.verification.